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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on January 26, 2002 11:12 AM:
 
I was just wondering if anyone knew whether there's anything more than coincidence to the similarity in appearance of the Breen to the Ubese from Star Wars. Was it intended as an homage to SW by the makeup dept, or something like that?



Also, when did we first hear of the Breen, and when exactly did we see them for the first time?

-MMoM
 

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Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on January 26, 2002 11:26 AM:
 
Wasn't the first mention of the Breen that time when that kid was trying to copy Data?

Really wish I had my episode guide here...
 

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on January 26, 2002 11:28 AM:
 
Yes, I've noticed the similarity between the Breen and Boussh. And yes, the first mention of the Breen was "Hero Worship."
 

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Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on January 26, 2002 11:40 AM:
 
I'm guessing a costume designer was a fan of Star Wars and he decided to make a reference to SW in the form of the Breen.
I believe we first saw the Breen in "Indiscretion," although I've never seen the ep. I remember seeing "By Inferno's Light" (I saw it before "In Purgatory's Shadow") and thinking, "Say, that looks a lot like Boushh from Return of the Jedi..."

[ January 26, 2002, 19:42: Message edited by: Veers ]
 

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on January 26, 2002 12:42 PM:
 
First mention: The Loss
First appearance: Indiscretion

And, in what may well be the flukiest example of continuity ever, Timothy, when spinning his lie about the mystery aliens attacking the Vico, said they wore helmets in "Hero Worship." Now, ultimately the Breen were suspected by Picard and co. based on proximity to Breen space and not the helmet thing. But, strangely enough, the Breen appear in Indiscretion under Bousschhelmets(tm). Clearly, Timothy's lies were better-planned than we gave him credit for back in 1990.
 

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Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on January 27, 2002 09:05 PM:
 
Kirk mentions the breen in an original series episode, one line no detail whatsoever.

I dont remember what epside, but I swear I saw it, or mabye it was a very realistic dream.

Anyway, I used to be obsessed with the Breen, the first time we actually see the Breen is in "Indiscretion" by that time, they got rid of the purple helmets ;o)
 

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on January 27, 2002 11:10 PM:
 
I don't think it was a fluke - it showed us that the DS9 people were comitted to continuity... they probably went back and watched "Hero Worship". What did they say about the Breen in "The Loss" - that they couldn't read their minds (they being betazoids)?

So that's Ferengi, Breen and Dopterians. HMMMM We *KNOW* that the Dopterians are distant cousins of the Ferengi - I think Odo told us in "The Forsaken"... and we KNOW that (well according to Behr and Wolfe's book) that the Breen sold the Ferengi warp technology - in return for icy moons etc. (So one would suspect that they either left them there and came and used them, or they towed them away - what would this have done to Ferenginar? OH and also their polar ice-caps - they bought them too - so you'd expect that they must be close by. So they might be genetic cousins! ALSO The Breen, the Klingons and the Romulans are the only races known to use disruptors. Romulan and Klingon space are very close, maybe then Breen space is close to these places too! So it might go... Klingons next to Romulans (either way and their next to the Tholians) next to the Breen next to the Ferengi near to DS9, Bajor and the Cardassian union - I picture it in some sort of broad arc surrounding the Federation (of course there aren't solid boarders - and they aren't "blocking" exploration - how could they control interstellar space - unless it was between two adjacent star systems.

Andrew
 

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Posted by Veers (Member # 661) on January 27, 2002 11:28 PM:
 
You imagined things, Proteus. There is no mention of the Breen in the original series.
 

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Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on January 28, 2002 09:55 AM:
 
I sure as heck don't remember any TOS episode featuring Kirk trying to seduce the Breen Queen.

McCoy: "Damnit Jim! She's wearing a space suit, you don't even know what she looks like under there! She could be ugly for all we know."
Kirk: "Bones... Risk. Is our business."
 

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Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on January 31, 2002 05:14 PM:
 
I swear they mentioned the breen in trouble with tribbles..

anyway...

anyone know why the breen like the cold? I remember it was revealed that the Breen's planet was actually tropical..
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on January 31, 2002 07:40 PM:
 
"ALSO The Breen, the Klingons and the Romulans are the only races known to use disruptors."

Lots of races use distruptors. The Breen, Klingons and Romulans are the only ones who use Type-III disruptors (or whatever Worf's line was in Generations.)
 

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Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on February 01, 2002 01:29 AM:
 
The problem is when Timothy said they wore purple helmets, somebody came back right away saying 'that doesnt sound like the Breen', but looking back, of the three suspects, the Klingons, Romulans and Breen, the Romulans and the Breen both wear helmets. Perhaps the color purple tipped them off that it wasnt them? because the Breen hate purple? oh well.. into the vaults with that one
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on February 01, 2002 01:59 AM:
 
Romulans haven't worn helmets since "The Enterprise Incident"...

And I think the general consensus is that Weyoun was wrong about the Breen homeworld. Either that, or part of it is tropical, but the Breen live in another part that's frozen. Personally, I think the Breen were probably just playing tricks on Weyoun, getting him to believe their planet was warm and leaving him wondering why they wore those suits.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on February 01, 2002 05:29 AM:
 
Why is that the consensus, exactly?
 

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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on February 01, 2002 01:40 PM:
 
Weyoun might have been lying or joking. And didn't he say it in conversation with Damar? Weyoun's known to talk shit to Damar. Anyway, one can never be too sure when it comes to the Vorta.

[ February 01, 2002, 21:43: Message edited by: Dax ]
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on February 01, 2002 02:05 PM:
 
But why assume it's not true? What's wrong w/the Breen not having a frozen homeworld?
 

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on February 01, 2002 02:54 PM:
 
Perhaps the Breen are not indigenous to their nicely toasty homeworld.
 

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on February 02, 2002 04:17 AM:
 
Shik: Well, then it wouldn't be their homeworld, would it?

Monkey: It's been said before that the Breen are from a frozen planet. Weyoun's the only person who says otherwise. And who trusts him? Are we supposed to think that someone say a Breen and said "I wonder why he's in that suit? I guess his planet must be frozen." and everyone accepted it as fact?
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on February 02, 2002 05:02 AM:
 
Well, he directly addressed the fact that it was a commonly-held notion that they came from a frozen planet, but that it was actually a myth.

He didn't just say: "The Breen come from a tropical world, you know." That would be a contradiction.

What he said was (I can't remember his exact word order, but it was to this effect) "Despite what the intelligence reports will tell you, the Breen's homeworld isn't really frozen at all. It's tropical, actually. Quite pleasant..."

There's a distinction. He didn't just say something different from what we've always heard with no explanation. He said something different from what we've always heard and then revealed that what we've always heard was a misconception.

-MMoM

[ February 02, 2002, 13:02: Message edited by: The Mighty Monkey of Mim ]
 

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Posted by Cartman (Member # 256) on February 02, 2002 06:41 AM:
 
We. Will. Never. Know.
 

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on February 02, 2002 07:06 AM:
 
At the time, I thought we were witnessing some cunning misdirection. The Founders disease seemed to be accelerated by heat, much to the delight of the Cardassians, I imagine. In a worst-case-scenerio (Allied victory), what better place to send the Founders in the Alpha quadrant than the Breen homeworld, a very cold place where they could, perhaps, lie dormant for some time. And no one but the Breen have ever been there! So of course Weyoun is going to try and hide that fact.

But, as usual, I was incredibly wrong.
 

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Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on February 02, 2002 08:04 AM:
 
Well, I don't see any evidence of deception. I think it was an attempt by the writers to make the Breen seem more threatening by playing up the mystery of them. At this point, basically ALL we knew about them was that they supposedly came from an icy world. Now, we learn that even that basic conception was wrong. We know even less about them than we thought, which wasn't much to begin with.
 

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on February 03, 2002 12:02 PM:
 

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Are we supposed to think that someone say a Breen and said "I wonder why he's in that suit? I guess his planet must be frozen." and everyone accepted it as fact?

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