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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

Further to the ongoing debate about a fifth series, I'd like answers to this question. Why? Because it's become plain that there are a lot of people who think the show is less than brilliant. So who here doesn't like Voyager and doesn't watch it as a result? I'm betting most of the responses will be "I don't like it very much but I watch it anyway."

And that is why people who say a fifth series won't get the audiences if it's crap are fooling themselves: Voyager is crap, but people still watch it, removing any onus for Paramount to do anything about improving it. . .

So, please respond. Could you also say whether or not you want a fifth series made now?

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

I watch Voyager in case they mention any Starfleet ships, and for episodes like "Barge of the Dead," where we see the entire crew get killed in the same scene.

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

And otherwise you wouldn't? 8)

Actually, I KNOW Frank wouldn't!

Posted by KXZ (Member # 119) on :

The only reason I don't watch Voyager is because none of the stations I get carry it.

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

I don't GET to watch Voyager, because I can't see it in my area either, thanks to WB (dubba-dubba-yuck!) coming in and taking over the only UPN affiliate within 100 miles. And I don't have cable (I have to make do with stone knives and bear skins).

If they DO start a new series, I PLEAD to them not to show it on their crummy network. Show it on that new big network you just merged with, you dweebs!

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Posted by Epoch (Member # 136) on :

I'm going to get reammed for this.
I personally like Voyager. Call me crazy but I'm a die hard fan. I look at it as a show that is Star Trek and at the same time isn't. I admit there are some eps I don't like, but for the most part I enjoy it.

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Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :

*Begin Waspinator speak*

Why universe hate Voyager?

*End Waspinator speak*

Seriously, I do like Voyager. The only major problem I have with it is that the writers can't seem to add well enough to realize which quadrant the ship should be in by now.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

I also like Voyager, though I haven't been impressed with this season as yet. I don't get it in my area, but I have a friend who tapes it for me and mails me the tape. As a result I'm only up to "Alice" right now. I loved the carryover episodes and ongoing story arcs in the first seasons. The minor characters recurring, the plot line about Tom leaving the ship and the traitor on board.

I love the idea of the lone ship lost in space. Bu tlately it just seems like a lot of isolated episodes that don't really mean anything.

I'll probably watch any Trek they put out whether I think it's good or not. If it sucks, I'll watch it for the ships, set designs, costume designs, and other artistic parts.

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Posted by Individual 5748 on :

I really like Voyager. Probably because it was really the first Trek I ever watched - from Voyager I was exposed to the others - and I have a certain loyalty to it or whatever.

However, I am aware a lot of people don't like it, so in reference to a fifth series, I would have to say hold off on it or have a really GOOD idea.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

*kills whatever monster has been eating his cookies lately*

So Voyager has continuity problems and plot holes... Is it any worse than your average TV show? No. Is it as "deep" as TOS and DS9? Not really. But it's still good.

Oh, and if you have a major problem with the show, that's why they have an open submission policy.

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

I personally like Voyager. It's not my favorite series, but I really enjoy several Voyager episodes.

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Posted by Wes (Member # 212) on :

The Next Generation is the best Star Trek series. That isn�t an opinion that�s a FACT!!!

As for Voyager I would say its tied with Deep Space Nine in my ratings of Star Trek Series, with TAS being last and the TOS being second to last. Voyager, although full of dull moments, has a greater amount of interesting and exciting moments. I watch it every weeknight and watch the new episodes every week on Wed. Speaking of new episodes, I�m REALLY looking forward to 'The Voyager Conspiracy' and 'Pathfinder'.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

Something being the best in a case like this (i.e. personal likes and dislikes) is a matter of opinion, not fact.

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Posted by Dan (Member # 129) on :

It's time to add my cynical responce to this thread:

I watch Voyager for only a couple reasons:

1) Nothing else is on at that time.
2) Foundation Imaging/Digital Muse (Hell, I hope to be working at one of these places in the future, I might as well study up on them to figure out what to put on a demo reel)
3) My aunt watches the show religiously, and of course, everybody needs a contrary opinion on somethings

And like Frank, it's always nice to have scenes like in Barge of the Dead.

As far as my opinion is on it, the plots are starting to become predictable and unoriginal. Besides, why do they continue to make them if they become irrelevant the next episode?

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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :

I too am a die hard fan of Voyager. It is probably my favorite series.
I just hate that I see it on Friday instead of Wednesday.

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Posted by Lt. Tom on :

It's my Emergency Mindless Viewing Hologram--I engage it when it isn't preempted by hockey (Go Wings!) and if there isn't anything better on unless it's one of those damned Captain Proton episodes, which only remind me how silly Voyager is normally.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I like Voyager. So there! Why? Because it has a huge well of potential. Is that potential always reached? Obviously not.

Also, I am a gibbering fanboy who will shovel in load after load of Official Star Trek Non-Repeating Static Pattern. Mm-mmm.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Voyager has been Fantastic since season 3's "Before and After" OK, the number of episodes that are FANTASTIC could be improved... as someone here mentioned before there are great episodes - but they don't occur as much as say TNG Season 5.

No Series 5 please.

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

I haven't seen anything past "Dark Frontier" but I love Voyager, and I'm eagerly waiting for series 5 as well.

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Posted by Diane (Member # 53) on :

I like Voyager, too, but not as much as DS9. I like anything Star Trek in general, and Voyager is the only decent prime-time science fiction on network television (I admit that X-Files is decent, too, but I don't watch anything that scares me over a long period of time). As long as they put out new episodes, I'll watch it because I don't want to miss anything new that goes on in this universe.

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Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :

I rarely watch Voyager. When I do watch the series, I feel that I am viewing dramatizations of science fiction pulp magazines of the '30's to the '50's. There were good stories to be found in these sources, however there was a greater majority of unbelievable and implausible stories. I want a mature science fiction, not a science fiction written for adolescents. Voyager is not mature science fiction.

I do not want to see a fifth series under the current production team. Another one, yes.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Just out of curiosity, what constitutes mature science fiction? Seriously, I wonder what everyone's definition is.

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

Sol: Everyone who wants a serious definition of "mature science fiction" should ask Mike Wong who believes that everything not complying with present day physics is crap, and Star Trek is the worst of all. Honestly, I think he lacks the basic understanding of sci-fi that it's supposed to be "funtastic". Otherwise, if I want real science, I can watch a scientific documentation, let's say about particle accelerators, which is interesting but lacks entertainment. The only demand I have is that the sci-fi complies with its self-imposed rules and restrictions, and this is mostly the case in Star Trek, also in Voyager.

Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Star Trek doesn't even have much of its own "science," though. Everything is explained by wacky particles, large-scale weapons are blips of light or blobs on a hull, etc.

Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

It is my least favorite of the four series. I think it has improved over the last couple of years. Yes, I watch it. Stay up till 1am to see it. I record it for the people in the office who miss it. There are seven or eight trekies in my office, and someone asks if I taped it almost ever week.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

I think a fifth series could be introduced during voyager, so they can have their seven seasons. I'm sure once the new rubs off, the two can align and go forward together, like when Voyager first started.

I really like the characters in voyager and would be very dissapointed if they were scrapped prematurely, like S:AaB.

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Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :

I define mature as in there are
1.relationships between people that develop and grow
2. people that learn from their experiences and carry this knowledge forward into his or her future (there is no reset button)
3. technology is minimized in pursuit of character development
Further, a mature person sees for the long-term future as an immature person sees for the immediate present.

DS9 is the most mature of the four or five series of Star Trek. Voyager is less immature, partly I believe because the production departments are tired and doing minimal work (what do I need to do to get a paycheck?).

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I don't really see any need to ask Mike Wong anything...

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :

I left out in my last post:

Yes to a fifth series, after a break.

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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :

I have watched Voyager since it began and my opinion of it has improved from OK but hit&miss through good to an offical Monty-rating of "Sweet!"

I should perhaps also say I quite liked "gravity" and "Bliss", although they have certainly been bettered.
I also enjoyed elements of "The fight" (viz. Bob Picardo's diatribes against boxing et al.)

If the WWF keeps its grubby sweaty moronic hands away from it in future, I shall hopefully contiunue to hold voyager up as a damn fine show. (Well, as damn fine as you can get without roping in Patrick Stewart to spout Shakespeare with a glazed look - Class! )

Fifth series?
Depends entirely on setting. Innovative idea and I shall be the first to respond "COOL!" and endorse it.
A naff effort and I shall be ruthless with my hurling of rotten tomatoes.

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