I just saw the Voyager episode "Elogium" again. At the end, Samantha Wildman comes to the captain's ready room to tell her that she's just found out she's pregnant. Now, far be it from me to start any rumors, but... She had just spent over seven months thousands of light-years from her husband. How could she get pregnant in April (when Voyager was lost) and not realize it until December (when "Elogium" took place)?
There's also the fact that Wildman's husband was Ktarian, and Naomi has horns on her forehead. Ktarians have an enlarged forehead w/ a ridge down the middle (ref. TNG's "The Game"), not horns.
I'm thinking somebody on Voyager needs to run a paternity test on that girl... :-)
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Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on :
Hmm, if Voyager comes back near DS9, maybe there's a chance that Sam's husband is still alive there. His last post was the station before Voyager took an unexpected detour to the Delta Quad.
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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :
WHO IS NAOMI WILDMAN'S FATHER? Is it:
Ensign Noname? Chakotay? Chef?
(Sorry. )
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Posted by Orion Syndicate (Member # 25) on :
They did say it was a Katarian. I think his name is Griskendrek (I'm not sure about the spelling), and he was stationed on DS9. As for the continuity, it's either a result of Human-Katarian breeding or the writers not knowing what the hell they're writing about and making a big mess of it.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Considering Braga wrote "The Game" and "Deadlock", along with being the executive producer in every recurrence of Naomi since "Basics, Part II", I think he'd know what he meant. Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
The Katarians have, as of late, completely changed their look. We've got spikey head ones and the other type. I'm not even sure if they're supposed to be the same species...
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Maybe bumps/spikes differ amidst the species, like skin colour does with humans. That'd be a change.
Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on :
Okay, we know so far that Sam's husband and Naomi's father is/was stationed at Deep Space Nine in the enginnering department and is that species who I can't spell the name of.
But here is another question: is he still alive?
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
He was as of "Caretaker".
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Actually, the thing I was trying to point out here was the fact that Wildman was supposedly seven months pregnant by the time she even noticed it.
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
Well, Voyager's episodes never really did say why or how. It must be because of the father being another species.
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
Elim: We have seen skin-colour-variations in all the major alpa-quad races. And, if it matters, vulcans and romulans are descendants of the same race, but with romulans now having ridges in their foreheads. Evolution? Maybe they altered their genes to become different from their siblings. Like the klingon forehead-incident, only deliberate.
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Have we seen adult Ktarians lately? Or ever, save for Etana in "The Game"?
Perhaps the horns are just a mark of youth, and fall off when the forehead lobes begin to expand. Or then the lobes are a female trait, and Naomi lacks all female Ktarian genes because of her human mother so she looks like a Ktarian male instead.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Well, yes, we see skin colour variations (even the Hirogen have them), but that's all we ever see in variations in the same species.
So why can't we just assume they were trying to do something nifty and they didn't mess up?
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I don't think it's supposed to be the same species. I reference the Tyrellian Syndrome. There have been about 6 species with a name pronounced ter-el-e-un but with slightly different spellings. All were different species.
My guess is something similar is the case with Katarians.
All I remember about Naomi's father's being on DS9 is that he was there. I don't think it ever said whether or not he was an SF officer.
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About Mrs. Wildmon being pregnant and not knowing it.
1. This is possible, even among humans, although it tends to occur mostly to "larger" women. It's called a "hidden" pregnancy.
2. Perhaps Ktarian or Ktarian/Human hybrids have a much longer early gestation period, and the fetus grows slowly in its first several months.
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
First: I would agree with that especially considering how fast she shot up once Sam pushed her out. My Lord, how old is the actress that plays her? 6 or 7?
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Er... She would notice she was pregnant long before her uniforms stopped fitting. There are certain other biological indications, y'know...
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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
Not always, and perhaps not with cross-species matings. Who knows how an alien pregnancy might affect things like the menstrual cycle? (I assume that's what you mean)
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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Perhaps it wasn't the pregnancy itself, but the medical process nesecary for it to take. Jadzia and Worf had to have some medical help. Maybe it's the same for most inter-special matings, and perhaps that's one of the side-effects. Or maybe women in the 24th century got sick of dealing with such things, and they just take a hypo to keep their periods in check. I doubt they'll ever mention it if that's the case.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, Omega's idea(s) seems to be the only possibility, really. I mean, if her menstrual cycle weren't interrupted by the preganacy, the kid wouldn't last too long. I mean, talk about throwing the baby out w/ the bathwater...!
Good grief, what have I started? Since when do we discuss biology around here?! *LOL*
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Er, there are many instances of menstruation not tipping anybody off in regards to possible pregnancies. It isn't a perfect little cycle for many women.
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