In tonight's opening for "Fury" (very good BTW), Janeway celebrates Tuvok's birthday, saying he's "almost to the big 3-digits". This means Tuvok is less then 100 years old. BUT, looking in the Encyclopedia, we can clearly see Tuvok was born in 2264, which would make him 112 years old. Is this Berman Trek all over again or is Janeway's searching through teraquads of information wrong?
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Maybe they're counting from a different point, or consider "the big triple digit" to be something other than we do. Maybe Vulcans count age from their first pon-farr. That'd probably be about right. Maybe the Vulcans use base-11 to count age, making 121 the big triple digit. Or Janeway may have just been wrong.
But as for the rest, I do like the way they kept other things accurate. Tuvok was still wearing the Lt. Cmdr. insignia as he was the first season, even though he was a lieutennant then. They finally explained why Samantha Wildman was pregnant for a year and a half. I don't suppose we can use that 57 day figure to figure out when this all supposedly took place in the grand scheme of episodes?
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
I'm so pleased with the episode "Fury." It was good to see that Tom had his Lt. rank and Torres had a something similar to her original hairstyle. But I wasn't pleased with the fact that Janeway and Tuvok kept the secret from the rest of the crew. But then again, she didn't trust everyone completely yet.
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Posted by Fructose (Member # 309) on :
Maybe she was talking about Vulcan years and they would be longer than Earth years. And she was celebrating his 'Vulcan birthday' and not his standard one. His birthdate would be listed on a personnel record and she could have easily found it. Maybe figuring out his 'real' birthday that was the big deal. And maybe she was just trying to 'protect' the timeline when she decided not to tell anyone. She always seemed to want to keep the timeline 'uncontaminated.'
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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Perhaps "the big three digits" is different from mere "three digits"?
I mean, every human on Earth supposedly lives to be a hundred years old at least. People still have active military careers at eighty (or lament when a disease prevents them from having one, as in "Too Short a Season"). McCoy is considered old at 140 or so, and O'Brien expresses a wish to die "at 140 in his own bed, surrounded by friends and family" in "To the Death".
It would seem that the age of a hundred years no longer is a milestone of quite the significance it enjoys today. Perhaps humans in the 24th century celebrate their 123rd birthday as "numerologically significant"? That would be absolutely perfect for the needs of this episode!
Of course, there are counterarguments. Despite the extended active lifespans, Bashir still celebrated his thirtieth birthday like a funeral, a transition from "life ahead" to "life behind". So some traditions don't seem to change.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :
Or maybe she was just joking about his old age or something.
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Posted by Xentrick (Member # 64) on :
still, it was nice to Kes again. *sigh*
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Yes, it was a good show. We need to see Kes again in the series finale. Don't ya think? And it was good to have a scene with both Seven and Kes together and noticing each other. And finally it was good to have Seven even say Kes' name.
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Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :
Ain't it amazing that even in episodes where the writers/production staff are meticulous about certain details, they still find alot of stuff to really screw up. 359: The only place that I can see that it says that Tuvok was born in 2264 is in the timeline in the end on the Ency. There is no reference as to what episode that was mentioned in under Tuvok's entries. Do you remember what episode that's from? Or is it just Okuda conjecture? Even so, it would still be unlikely that Tuvok is under a 100-he had graduated from the academy and was serving abord the Excelsior by 2293. In order to be under 100, Tuvok would've need to have been born in 2277, which would have made him 16 during "Flashback" and twelve when he graduated the academy (which would work just fine if he were a Klingon). Another thing I noticed, according to the Encyclopedia, the episode "Revulsion" established that Tuvok and Janeway first met in 2365 (I don't remember the episode, so I am just taking the Encys word for it) which would contradict the episodes assertion that they had known eachother for twenty years. There was also a reference at the end of the episode saying that Kes had traveled back three years prior (unless I misunderstood). That kind of surprised me- how long the show has been going on is usually the one thing that the writers can get right.
Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
Didn't Kes say to Janeway from 2371 that she will leave the ship three years from the date she tried to kill everyone on Voyager?
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Tuvok gives his age as 23 (I think) in "Flashback" Even if I'm wrong about that, he does give his age and since we know what year ST:6 was set in, we can determine his age. He would already be over 100.
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Tuvok said his age as of 2293 was 29. But we aren't sure if he meant Earth or Vulcan years. So Janeway's suggestion about Tuvok's age as of "Fury" may still be correct as we don't know if she was suggesting Earth or Vulcan years either. Well, that's my take on things.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Doesn't it just make sense that she was talking Vulcan years? I mean, do you celebrate your birthday in Martian years? Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
He'd be 112 now based on Flashback info. It is generally assumed that years are universally translated, otherwise we'd have to start questioning Worf's age and that of other aliens also.
Vulcan years may be longer for all we know. The TMP novelization actually says that they are *shorter*, and that 2.8 Earth years = 9 Vulcan years, but then again, who cares about this nowdays.
Boris
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
You know, I didn't get the same impression from that scene that the rest of you seem to have gotten. As I saw it, Janeway was making a joke, the same way my father might comment on how close he is to being thirty.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
That could be, if not for the fact that Tuvok said "Indeed.". It didn't seem like he was being sarcastic at that point (as opposed to a minute later w/ "It was a fire hazard...").
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Oh, Tuvok is always sarcastic.
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