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Posted by ImmortalBear on :
 
While a lot of speculation has been made concerning what will happen to the crew once Voyager returns to Federation space, I wanted to discuss a topic that I think has been overlooked: what will happen to the Voyager itself upon its return.

While I don't see TPTB at Starfleet Command decommissioning Voyager anytime soon after its homecoming, I think that the ship is due for some serious time in Spacedock, a year at the very least if not more. Being in continous operation for 7 years without any refits/upgrades/maintenance overhauls has probably accelerated the MTBF(mean time between failure)rate on some of Voyager's systems, so one could surmise that the Voyager crew has had to repair/replace certain components and systems a lot more often than a Starfleet vessel in the Alpha Quadrant with access to a starbase. So you could say that Voyager is just a skosh overdue for its 10,000 light year lube job and oil change.

Systems that may need inspecting/replacing/upgrading: (IMHO)

Propulsion systems: Some of the warp coils in the nacelles have probably worn out during Voyager's journey, and may warrant repair, refurbishment, or replacement. The yard engineers may want to take a look at the warp core as well, possibly eject it from the ship and then inspect it.
As for the impulse engines, they will probably get a good once over as well, though probably not as thorough as the warp drive systems.

Tactical systems: This is one area in which I expect Voyager to receive a major overhaul in. Voyager carried no quantum torpedoes in its weapons loadout upon its arrival in the Delta Quadrant, only photon torpedoes, its store of which has to be almost depleted by now (Am I incorrect on this?). Correct me if I am wrong, but haven't all Starfleet vessels in the AQ been upgraded to carry/fire quantum torpedoes as well as photon torps? If that is the case, I see no reason why Voyager's probe/torpedo launchers shouldn't be refitted to have the same capability as the rest of the ships in the fleet.
Phaser upgrades are probably in order as well, and while I don't think it would work if they installed in Voyager the same type of phaser banks found in the Enterprise-E, at least upgrade them to the type found in the prototype USS Prometheus.

Starfleet will probably want to go over the astrometrics lab with a fine-toothed comb too, but the one component that will be probably be analyzed more thoroughly than any other part of Voyager has to be the computer core. Considering that Voyager is probably collected more information about the Delta Quadrantin the past seven years than most unmanned probes gather in a lifetime, Federation scientists, no matter what their field of study, are probably going to spend years, if not decades, going over the records in Voyager's database concerning stellar cartography, exobiology, spatial phenomena, you name it.

Any thoughts on this?


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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Good topic, but here's the reality: That ship should have been destroyed several times over, with it's track record in the Delta Quadrant. At the least, it should be falling apart or have some scorch marks on the hull. However, at the beginning of every episode, we see the ship in pristine condition. This shows how much emphasis TPTB will likely put into the ship itself once it returns home (and I have no doubt that it will). I'm sure that the fate of the characters will be focused on much more than the ship.

Hell, what do you expect when they totally destroy a ship and then bring the same ship back in the next episode in perfect condition, with the lame excuse that they "rebuilt" it in the nanoseconds of time between running from Borg?

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Good call on the topic. And welcome to the forums too.

I'll start backwards. Computer core? Copy, paste, backup (in spacedock) and low-level format it!

Tactical: As with other Defiant-class vessels and the prometheus it seems quantum-torpedoes aren't just handed out to any little boat in the fleet.
In fact, the Defiant got it because TPTB wanted her to enter the show with a bang, the Ent-E got it to enter "First Contact" with a bang and the Lakota got them to show how Admiral Leyton (that right?) had beefed up his ships.

Also, as have been proven by Deffie and the Ent-E, ships can carry both types of warheads in their banks.
The Defiant fired photon torpedoes mostly backwards, and the E-E had a good magazine of them on her belly, to take out the Defiant-gripping borg tractor-beam in the beginning of FC.
The Prommie prolly HAD quantums, they just weren't selected as default by the clumsy EMH-2... (You're supposed to tell it what to do!)

I like to fantasize Voyager with quantums, she is a good fighting ship, bigger than a Defiant but not as clumsy or as random as an Akira or Nebula.
Alas, I believe, if she'd really be worked over and refitted, she'd get the same standard issue photons anyhow.

I have a theory about torpedo launchers. All the one's we've seen on SF-vessels have had rectangular muzzles or square ones, with a red glow around the edges.
The only two launchers with quantum-capacity have been either oval (E-E), or round (Defiant).
It's impossible to see the Deffie's muzzles on-screen but I've seen a good cutaway-view.

So my theory is that the square muzzles are too small to house a quantum, and the quantum-launchers are too big. That's why they had to put a two-barreled photon-launcher on the E-E's belly.
So the launchers are probably not so multi-purpose after all.
Probes, ok, but they're mostly just modified photons anyway.
The Excelsior-class Lakota? The Excelsior-launchers aren't visible, they're hidden, showing just two holes in the hull, so my guess is that the refit-team just ripped out the old launchers and installed a quantum-system, and the big holes on her sides were big enough to hold a quantum from the beginning.

Astrometrics: I'm with you there, they should install a bug-hunting program to test all aspects and functions of it as I'm sure the Borg-modifications aren't 100% compatible with modern Starfleet programming-code. But I'm sure both styles of software will come out better after the merge.

Was it a tachyon-sweep they did on the Ent-D? I'll have one of those too please, in fact make it two sweeps, one on the way back too.

Voyager must've been fired upon at least 5-600 volleys, so a decent bodywork should be good. I'll bet there are some spots on her that the bored crewmen just painted over in lack of proper components. Ablative armor might be overkill (although it wouldn't hurt) but regenerative shielding is a must.

Engineering should need a tune-up. A fresh new warp-core isn't unthinkable, godness knows it has gotten it's fair share too. What with the borg's tinkering in "Scorpion", that experimental semi-slipstream and one jettisoning...
I used to like that flickering light in the core, only before seen on the Enterprise-A, but now it gives me a feeling of power uncontrolled, rolling around like plutonium in a laundry machine.
I vote for a nice new ribbed candy-licorice core, like the Enterprise-E (kinda looked like licorice after the borg queen's mods).

Holodeck: Holodeck...hmm. If I may quote Janice. OH MY GAWD!!!
Now that place should just be torn down and replaced, I wouln't do any changes whatsoever to the computer-core or systems before I knew that frigging birdnest is gone! They made a good call when leaving it out from the Defiant.

Sickbay: If some SF-engineers could work around the clock to mimic the basic principles of the mobile holo-emitter, so the good doctor had some spares, then perhaps they could restrict internal holo-emitters to sickbay only. You know, less plumbing, fewer blocked pipes.

Internal systems: I have two great ideas for Starfleet engineers. The first regarding the wiring inside the walls. Tie them together with tape or big rubber bands or even steel rings and they won't hang down and electrocute people everytime the ship's attacked.

Next, the control panels. To avoid unecessary injuries due to energy-spikes, overloads and short circuits, there's a revolutionary invention, designed to avoid physical damage to the equipment and people operating it.
It's called a "fuse".

What's left? Maybe a ch�f. Even though there are replicators it's nice to have some people preparing and serving it. It's very good for morale.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Yeah, I've never liked that about Voyager ... how the ship is always in PERFECT condition.

I was hoping, at the beginning of the series, that they would start "weathering" the sets ... maybe a rip in the captain's chair, some burn marks, etcetra.

They didn't even do that! Idiots! Numbskulls! Someone want to design the Tokyo? Morons!

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Posted by DARKSTAR on :
 
I think what will happen with Voyager is:-

WARP PROUPLOSION SYSTEM
What will happen due to almost constant use in the Delta Quadrant is that Voyager will have a major overhaul with the almost burnt out warp coils being replaced with new ones. The warp core will be examined and the results will show how constant use affects warp cores. It will either be replaced or upgraded with new components. Voyager's plasma tranfer conduits will almost certainly not be replaced.

IMPULSE PROUPOSION SYSTEM
What will happen is that when Voyager used impulse for going through star system's in her flight path. Voyager's impulse systems seem to haved fare better then her warp drive. But again constant use has put a strain on this other wise vital system. This will be updated with new fusion reactors and field grilles

ASTROMETRICS
When Voyager was taken to the Delta Quadrant. The lab was rather slow and wasn't designed well enough to cope with Voyager's predicerment. When Voyager came accross Borg Space and Seven of Nine came aboard. The lab was radically redesigned and upgraded. All the information will be downloaded and will help starfleet plan any future exploration of the Delta Quadrant through Transwarp and Quamtum slipstream drive.

COMPUTER CORES
All the information will be downloaded and Starfleet will also update any outdated information about the Alpha Quadrant and it's species.

SHUTTLES
Due to the heavy loss of shuttles in the first few years of Voyager's journey. The Shuttles will more then likely be replaced with the newer models.

TACTICAL SYSTEMS
With Voyager's topedoes almost gone. I can say that Voyager only has 10 left. We can say that her launchers will be replaced with Quantum topedoe launchers and will be restocked with them.
Due to Voyager only having a limited number of topedoes her phasers were used more in combat then topedoes. Her phaser banks must be worn out and will probaly be replaced with the newer model. Her Phaser arrays will probaly be up dated to type X+

DELTA FLYER II
The ship will probaly go into mass production with starfleet using the wreckage from the cubes in Star Trek TNG:Best of Both Worlds and Star Trek:First Contact.

THE MESS HALL
When Voyager enters Federation Space. The need for a mess hall will vanish. Neelix will be out of a job. The hall will most likely go back to what it was in Caretaker.

AIROPHONICS BAY
With Voyager now in Federation Space this will become obsolete and will be turned over to it's previous function as a cargo bay.

SEVEN'S BORG ALCOVE
With Seven still more then likely needing this I would say that starfleet will download any information it contains on the Borg.

HOLODECKS
With Voyager only using these when time and power allows. I doubt these will be touched.

SICKBAY
With Voyager's sickbay medical supplies low sickbay will get a new supply. I think the Biobeds will be updated or replaced. I think that the central diagnostic bed will almost certainly be repalced. Any information in the medical database will be downloaded and any new information about the Alpha Quad will be added.
EMH
Due to the fact he has gained a degree of sentience. He more then likely will stay on Voyager as CMO. He will at last get a nurse other then Tom Paris or Kes.

 


Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
I'd like to take a somewhat different stance here. Despite the recent war and other unfortunate happenstances, Starfleet isn't really so desperately short of ships that one Intrepid class vessel would make a big difference. So instead of trying to upgrade the Voyager or even repair her, Starfleet engineers will probably benefit much more from removing the ship from active duty and carefully examining her for Borg technology, telltale residues of interesting Delta quadrant phenomena, and general data on how a starship performs in exceptional circumstances and conditions.

After making sure that no information would be lost in the process, the computers would probably be cross-linked to powerful analysis machines and thoroughly queried. The Doctor would receive similar attention, while the live crew would be debriefed by more traditional means. Warp and impulse engines would be carefully studied, and the makeshift repairs of Torres & friends carefully backtracked and analyzed. Finally, the engines would probably be tested to destruction rather than repaired. Alternately, various repair techniques could be attempted to see if they apply to such worn-down machinery, yet the engines would never see actual service again.

The spaceframe itself would receive similar attention, and some aspects of it would perhaps be tested to destruction. Overall, it would still be left largely intact so that the ship could be turned into a monument or tourist attraction later on.

An alternate scenario would have the ship stripped of its modifications, and all improvements carefully hunted down and destroyed, be they Borg or Torres handiwork. Anything separating the ship from other Intrepids would be removed, to simplify fleetwide maintenance (minor regulation-approved "personal modifications" that are part and parcel of every starship notwithstanding). The old crew would most likely never serve aboard the vessel again, having become galactic celebrities and assigned to wholly different duties, some of which may be pure PR jobs not involving starship service at all.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
Does anyone really think any of this detail will be touched on screen, though? While I agree with Timo's realistic assessment, given the sentimental nature Starfleet seems to have towards it's captains who have their own series, I think alot less realistic approach will be taken. Assuming of course that the ship survives the homecoming (which I am convinced that it won't).

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Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :
 
I heard a rumour that Captain janeway might get court-matialled when she gets back home. Her command decisions would be questioned since she did get the crew stranded in the Delta Quadrant.

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
So basically theoptions are:

1. Voyager gets trashed getting home, they get a new ship. Probably called the Voyager-A, and probbly still an intrepid. Fanboys die of indignation.
2. Voyager gets home OK, but is deemed unrepairable and unupgradeable, and is sent off to be taken apart fro science. Fanboys die of indignation.
3. Voyager gets homa and is upgraded into a super-battleship Dominion killer with Type-XXVII Phasers, 12 Quantum torpedo launchers and an aerowing shuttle that's a mini Defiant. Fanboys die of masturbation.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
How about a "U96" kind of ending?
 
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*L @ VP*

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Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
 
You mean a "Das Boot" ending? Voyager is entering a space or drydock in Fed space and suddenly is attacked by an enemy. Most of the crew is killed and the ship is destroyed before it could dock.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Oh, thank you SO much for ruining that movie for me!!!

Hee-hee ... just kiddin'

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Germany loses the war, too.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Actually it WAS ruined to me two years ago when someone just started blabbing about it before I had seen it. I HATE THAT!!!

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Actually, A "Das Flying Toilet Seat" ending would be cool. You could have Kim (the only one to actually survive) finding Janeway dying as she watched her ship sink. . . er, blow up or something, and then she keels over. Brilliant.

Personally I think the last episode should be called "The Long and Winding Road." It'll really wind up John Lennon fans.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Germany lost?!

Oh, wait, that's a good thing.

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
Maybe we won't even get to see the homecoming of Voyager.
Last scene:
The Voyager dissaparing as a faint dot between the stars, on her continuing mission to reach Earth, wich is still 30-somthing years away.

This would be dissapointing, but TBTB are crazy enough to do just this. (They did so with DS9)

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Nah, that wouldn't be the norm for VOY.

VOY has always been the "lets have a happy ending" TV Show ...

DS9 is the, "lets depress 'em all..." TV Show ...

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Posted by bear (Member # 124) on :
 
I vote for the Das Boot ending......serve me some of that PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
 
quote:

It'll really wind up John Lennon fans.

McCartney wrote it.

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
 
Well, TPTB could end it by having Janeway killed during the homecomming. She dies as Voyager reaches Earth, leaving Chakotay with something finally to do. That would avoid the entire court marshal thing with flashbacks of Janeway's bad judgements.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
How's this?
B'elanna and Seven, the only ones still alive after the combined klingon-romulan taskforce attacking earth during voyagers homecoming, steer voyager towards a big black hole. All enemy ships are right behind them!

Torres: Ok, then listen, let's not get caught.
Seven: State your intention!
T: Let's keep going.
7o9: Clarify!?
T: Go!
7o9: You sure?
T: Yeah, yeah. Let's.

Torres hits "full impulse", racing right past the event horizon, ending with a freeze-frame of Voyager almost in the hole!
End Credits!!!!

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Kosh: I know. That's why it'll annoy them.

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Posted by DARKSTAR on :
 
I think Voyager SHOULD get home that's what been the purpose and drive of the entire series and that's what Voyager has been about=The Crew's desire to return home.

Voyager will return to Federation Space and will help launch the new series beginning next year in the USA. I think we could several scenes in the new series with Janeway talking @ starfleet academy to cadets about the Delta Quadrant and then move on to the new Akira class starship in orbit of Earth. We have Voyager orbiting in the Background (going the opposite way). I think an Akira class would be cool as we still don't know much about it.
 


Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
I seriously hope series V won't have cadets as main characters. I'm still recovering from those little creeps from "Valiant".
The only thing they're good for is to remind us that the grown-ups in Star Trek make better calls.

Seriously, the few good 17-22 year old actors that exist prolly wouldn't try to get into Star Trek anyhow, other than as guest stars...

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
By careful simulation I've managed to emulate that whole punctuation-less writing style. Use one hand to type letters, and keep the other hand firmly in your lap. Whatit's doing there, I'll leave you to figure out. Akira-class, cadets, what utter fucking rot...

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
It will be examined, that funny sweep thing, overhauled, and sent out on it's continuing mission.

Or placed in a museum(sp?)

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Well ...

I don't think a cadet premise would work.

First of all, ix-nae on the Akira. They always bring in a "new" class of ship for a show to take place on. They won't bring up the Akira-Class.

Second, why would they use an Akira for cadet training? Right now the Federation has great use for its most modern starships, so I imagine an older-class (Miranda, Excelsior?) would be detailed for use as training ships. Honestly, training cruises are mostly to accustome Cadets to the details of serving on a starship, and it can be done just as well on an older class ship, so there's no use to use a newer class.

Anything class-specific can be learned by the cadets when they're junior officers on their first assignments.

Third, would anyone *want* to see a series about cadets? No. A movie -- eh, maybe ... you could keep up the believability for 2 hours, but not for 26 hours a year for 7 years. First off all, even if you started them out on their first day of "Boot" (that is, the PT they go through BEFORE they go to the classrooms), the Academy is only 4 years long, so 3 years would be focusing on them as junior officers -- what, we follow these SAME cadets around for 4 years, then we're expected to believe they all recieve the SAME post-Academy posting?

DARKSTAR -- look at the following: . , ; ' " ! ?

Those are PUNCTUATION marks. LEARN them. USE them. LOVE them. Thank you!

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
A 'Brotherhood of War' type series might have it's merits.

If you're going to have a 7 year run you'll have 182 eps. Follow a group of three or four officers through the first seven years of their careers.

First year is their first assignment aboard the USS Kung Fu as Ensigns, end season with them going to LT(jg) or LT.

Second year they are one two different ships assigned to the same area, maybe promote, maybe not.

Third year they could get re-assigned to the same posting, some special task force or some such.

Fourth year would be somewhat similer to the 2nd.

Fifth year they could be promoted to command ships.

Sixth year I dunno

Seventh year, same as the 6th.

Might be a god idea, might not....

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Its a nice idea, but the problem is, it would be 7 years of that "Underdecks" TNG episode ... we'd all be wondering what the *hell* is the senior staff doin'?

If we did focus on junior officers, you'd still have to have a couple actors in recurring roles as the senior staff -- at least a Captain and XO ... we could see the XO a lot more than the CO, since the XO "executes" the CO's orders, so we'd only have to see the CO a few times a season (unless a lot of episodes feature the officers on the bridge)

Seas. 1 - 3: the junior officers (Ensign all, 3rd season maybe lieutenant jgs), work in their various departments aboard a science vessel ... they participate in a lot of survey missions et al which allows them to get out and get their hands dirty. They speculate about some of the more mysterious missions their ship goes on, but they rarely if ever know what is going on (although sometimes when they combine info, we the audience can realize).

Seas. 4 - 5: the officers are transfered to another ship, perhaps provide some tension with one or two on the senior staff. By the end of Seas. 5, they should all be lieutenants.

Seas. 6 - 7: the officers are all on the senior staff of another starship (or perhaps the one from seas 4 - 5). One or two are lt. commanders, the others lieutenants ... perhaps Chief of Security, Chief of Engineering, Chief of Operation, and Chief Science Officer.

Ideas? Thoughts? I don't think the concept would work too well, but ...

How about this?

A small scout ship, with a young commander (maybe a lt. commander?) and three junior officers as his command crew, with a total crew of maybe 50 or so?

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
I think we focus too much on the senior staff. Having been a grunt at the beginning and getting promoted through the ranks I noticed how really boring the senior staff has it. I would 'demote' myself just to keep myself busy..... That is after the troops were fed, weapons were checked, vehicles okayed, paperwork sent up from me, gear checked, perimeter defenses properly setup, communications running, and guns laid.

Have you ever tried getting a gun laid??? Not easy!!

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
They always go off half-cocked!

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Posted by Soontir_Fel on :
 
Speaking of getting promoted and demoted to keep yourself busy, do you think it would matter if Voyager's senior staff were all lieutenant and above by now?

I'm just thinking of the previous Star Trek series. TOS had everyone a Commander (Chekov, Uhura, McCoy) or Captain (Kirk, Spock, Sulu, Scotty). TNG had everyone Lt. Cmdr. and above. DS9 had everyone get at least one promotion. So I've got to wonder, what would be the problem if Kim gets promoted? He's in a different department (Ops) then Paris (Conn/Helm) and Torres (Engineering). Yes, Torres is below Kim in the command chain, so why not give him that extra pip? Just to make the senior staff look senior to the rest of the crew. Kim has been seen ordering lieutenants around before so why not make him one? Granted, Voyager is a special circumstance but really, what's the harm? I don't see any.

Another reason is if Paris didn't get demoted and one month solitary confinement for that WaterWorld incident, he'd be lieutenant. By the way, is Torres, Lt. or LT. Jr.? Those Maquis rank strips are hard to tell decipher.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Er ... how is the Operations Manager outrank the CEO?

The only reason Data did was because he was the 2nd officer. Operations is usually just tasking the ship's resources to whomever needs them, arranging for supply ships from Starbase ... stuff like that. And of course, all the stuff Trek makes 'em do ... yes, Engineering and Operations *are* the same department (or at least very closely related), but I don't see how Ops would neccessarily outrank CEO ...

And I don't see how an ensign can outrank a Lieutenant, so ... (maybe its just me ...)

I don't think Bashir ever got a promotion ...

Maybe certain captains are restricted in what promotions they can issue? Maybe Janeway can't contact Starfleet to get approval for promotions, so they're stuck? Who knows?

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
I think promotions are somewhat pointless on Voyager. I mean, no matter what your rank, your duties aren't going to change, and neither is your place in the overall chain of command.

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
 
Not unless the captain and most of the senior staff gets killed...

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Hey I'll help you find it
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
There's field-promotions...

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We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
 

Jeff: Bashir got on off-screen promotion from Lieutenant Junior Grade to Lieutenant sometime between 'The Adversary' and 'Way Of The Warrior'.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Ahhh ... didn't know that ...

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
Yes, field promotions.... Nothing like getting those fields promoted.....

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Posted by Soontir_Fel on :
 
Come to think of it, I agree with you. I'm probably thinking of times where Ops outranked the CE. But it does make sense that the Security Chief outranks the CE right?

Kim obviously should be able to outrank any officer in his department as should any other senior officer. Kim ordered a Lt. (or Lt. Jr.?) during the Voyager episode "Twisted." I can't remember who it was, but he seemed like one of those regular extras.

As Gaseous Anomaly said, our favourite genetically enhanced doctor was promoted between "The Adversery" and "The Way of the Warrior," as was Dax if I might add.

I don't see why certain captains would be restricted to what promotions they can issue. Janeway doesn't need Starfleet approval to promote crewmembers. She gave Paris a field commission of LT. (Jr.?) and she also repromoted Tuvok to Lt. Cmdr. Why Tuvok was Lt. Cmdr. for the first dozen or so episodes then Lt. for the next few season is beyond me. Janeway has a wierd way of giving her officers promotions.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
I don't think the Security Chief (post) neccessarily would outrank the CEO (post). It just depends on the ranks of the individual officers serving, I 'spose.

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Posted by Soontir_Fel on :
 
That's what I'm starting to lean toward too.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
I think you misunderstand me. Janeway could promote the entire crew to Grand Admirals or High Commanders In Chief or Executive Cheeses. But that wouldn't change anything in terms of the ship's command structure. Crewman third class Joe is still going to be stuck swabbing out the lenses of the subspace telescope whether he's called Crewman or Fleet Admiral. There isn't anyone else to take the job. There's no up to move into. No extra priviledges to be handed out. Voyager's rank structure is a closed system.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Well, except when people die...

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
That being the sole exception.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
LOL. Gotcha, Sol.

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
ROFLMAO

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
Well, Kim still deserves a promotion. There have been many situations where he has been giving orders to people with two pips or maquis-slashes on the collar. Perhaps the position of chief of ops doesn't necessarily require Kim to outrank those people, but for some reason Kim still ends up bossing them around. It would be nice for his rank to reflect this.

Timo Saloniemi
 


Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
Maybe they are just trying make him look like a natural born leader, taking control in crisis?

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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
Torress has pulled rank on Kim before. That stupid episode with the stupid robots who looked stupid, for example (you know. Prototype).

I'm not getting the comparison between Voyager sailing off into a sea of stars, 30 years from home, and "What you Leave Behind". Apart from the sea of stars bit. But you're surely not just saying they're the same thing based on a simple visual, are you?

Actually, we might find out what happens to Voyager, but likely not in great detail. It depends how the episode is structured. If it's "They get home fairly early, but have to save something, somehow", and presuming the ship doesn't get destroyed, it wouldn't be too hard to do a debriefing with:

"So, what's happing to Voyager now. I'm going to miss the old ship?"

And we'd possibly get:

"She's spending a year in spacedock while Starfleet engineers, scientists, and pretty much everyone else go over it with a fine toothed comb."

or

"Decommisioned. Said it won't be efficient enough to repair" (cue jokes involving Seven or Tuvok).

or

"Well, I've got a little surprise for you". (Pull back, they're on a shuttle. They fly towards the Excelsior, swoop over, and there sits Voyager, all spangled up. Possibly with an extra phaser strip, or go faster strips. Stirring music. Everyone boards, the ship flies out of space dock and goes to warp. Followed by a fairly pointless and stupid movie).

Or not.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Hey! That's my favorite part of STIV!

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Posted by Daniel (Member # 453) on :
 
I think, scarily enough, it's entirely possible that we never see Voyager reach home. After all, they need some sort of plot for the movie.

Also, it's BARYON sweep. Which, if it actually occurred would blow apart the vessel at the atomic or molecular level since a baryon is defined as some sort of highly common particle, like a cation or anion. It exists in everything. Bye-bye Voyager.
 


Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Aah, but maybe the sweep REALIGNS all those poor, sensitive little baryons...
Like little purring tribbles, on the atom-level.

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We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram


 


Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
The movie? THE movie? Don't you mean, "a possible movie that might possibly get made, one day, possibly?"

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Yes, I believe a voy-plot for ST:X belongs in the "Not Bloody Likely"-section.


(NBL?)

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Here lies a toppled god,
His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram


 


Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :
 
Makes perfect sense to me. TNG was a great commercial success but the movies have been disappointing at the box office. Maybe a movie based on a series that has had no commercial success whatsoever (and would've gotten the axe partway trough the first season if it was on any other network) will make the big bucks!
 
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
The TNG films have done badly? From what I remember, Generations did better than STVI and FC was the second biggest grossing Trek film behind STIV. Only Insurrection has done badly.

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Posted by Ritten (Member # 417) on :
 
Done badly compared to each other, or done badly compared to the films released on or near the same date?

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Posted by Quatre Winner (Member # 464) on :
 
2 possible endings for the Voyager

- Voyager will be eaten by a giant space going ameoba. (It's been done before!)

OR

- Voyager will be hijacked and taken over by the girls from Tenchi Muyo. (Go RYOKO!)

Quatre.

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Posted by His Divine Shadow {PHX} on :
 
I have a suggestion for improving life expentancy on voyager, get rid of plasma conduits running through consoles, they only need simple electrical wires that wont blow up the console and kill ya.

BTW this is my first post.

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Vader: No it's not!
Palpatine: It's not the north or the south side.
Vader: No it's not!
Palpatine: It's the darkside.
Vader: You are correct!
Palpatine: This is from the Empire to all you Vader-Haters out there, we'll blow your planet up!
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Ha! I never imagined you'd recover from Kai splitting thy skull!!

Well, welcome anyway...

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His fall was not a small one.
We did but build his pedestal,
A narrow and a tall one.

-Tleilaxu Epigram



 


Posted by His Divine Shadow {PHX} on :
 
Didn't you see?
I left my brain at home.

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*Rap song*
Palpatine: It's not the east or the west side.
Vader: No it's not!
Palpatine: It's not the north or the south side.
Vader: No it's not!
Palpatine: It's the darkside.
Vader: You are correct!
Palpatine: This is from the Empire to all you Vader-Haters out there, we'll blow your planet up!
Vader: We got deathstars! We got deathstars! We got deathstars!

 




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