I woke up this morning and the TV was showing an episode of TOS, where the crew find a planet influenced by a book about the 1920s. Anyway, the point is that Spock was going around neck pinching a whole lot of people, as is was really convenient. It seems that in the series Spock did this an awful lot.
So... Tuvok did this neck pinch thing a whole lot less often. Anyone remember the last time he did so? I know he's done it, but so rarely I can't remember any specific instances. Poor guy...
Mark
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Yeah, but how would Braga know about the Vulcan Neck Pinch? He never watched TOS, remember? 8)
Posted by Jeff Kardde (Member # 411) on :
"Unification", obviously.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
And, IIRC, Odo did it once...
But I can't think of any time Tuvok did...
Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
He did it once in that ep. where the Hirogens are getting their butts kicked by holograms
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Tuvok's done it several times, though not with the frequency of Spock.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
And as for his last use of the thing, I think it would be during the episode where he was programmed by the strange Bajoran fellow.
Posted by NightWing (Member # 4) on :
Did Tuvok ever do the 'Live long and prosper' hand signal?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Many times, one imagines, though it's hardly something to keep track of. Why?
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Posted by TLE (Member # 280) on :
Well, I forget the name, but Chuckles was caught in some time distortion thing, and *spoilers* may for someone possibly if you go further.
Anyhow he took Janeway (pre Delta Quad) and showed her the different fractured timelines on Voyager. In one, Tuvok was dying, he did the LLAP thing and died. That's the one time I remember most, cause it was on the other night.
End of spoilers.
Posted by Saiyanman Benjita (Member # 122) on :
I just asked my wife this question last night. I've never seen him do so, though I'm sure he has a few times. Obviously being the security officer, he probably has to feel more comfortable using his phaser than a Science Officer would.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
How does the neck pinch incapacitate someone? is it like a sleeper hold? or is it some Vulcan psychic energy flow type thing. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
It can't be a psychic thing. Data did it once. Though I suppose it's possible they use telepathy to find the exact spot to hit. That would explain why humans can't do it. Data could do it because he could find the right point w/ his supercomputer brain...
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
And Xena (Warrior Princess) can do a FSNP too. Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
using psychic mind powers to find the spot to hit sounds pretty good to me. i remember the lead character in Spaceballs used a neck pinch on a gaurd. his name escapes me.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Lone Star.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
yeah, that's his name. the movie was sorta dumb, but it was good fpr a laugh
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Spaceballs? "Dumb"?! Sacrilege!
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
i thought the movie was funny, but it was just plain dumb, like nearly all the other spinoffs out there.
Posted by Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
Yes, it was patronizing to the audience. You could tell they were aiming for all the 8-12 year olds, what-with all that obvious yelling and shit. "Lone Star!!!! Jam!!!! I hate jam!!! Even with STRAWBERRIES in it!!!" Ha...ha...haaah.
The "ship-going-on-forever" thing was great, and the Vader helmet travesty worked fine (for ten minutes), the rest is a kid's movie. For parody, I prefer "Airplane" or "Hotshots". Mel Brooks is too soft, he lost his edge in the eighties. "Blazing Saddles", "Young Frankenstein" and "High Anxiety" were fantastic.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
It's "Yogurt! I hate yogurt!". The jam joke was something else entirely.
"The radar is being jammed!" "Raspberry! Only one man would dare give me the raspberry..."
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Spinoff? I think you mean "spoof", young man.
Spaceballs was unbearably funny and unbearably bad at the same time. Like the Brak show.
Posted by USSdefiant (Member # 655) on :
I dont remember where but I remember from somewhere that the vulcans can pin point the precise points on the neak where there is 1 nerve and 1 vein/artery(I cant remember which) that when pinched, will render the person unconcious. Their brains seem like they can calculate as fast as datas so that seems to not make any problems. OMG, I just remembered something, didn't it used to be called the vulcan NERVE pinch. I dont remember any cannon source(or any source at all) for this, but someone here has got to remember it.
Posted by Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
Um, are you by any chance scandinavian or something? Because as far as I know, we are the only ones who use the word "data" for "computer". Actually it's "dator", but the "or" usually becomes an A.
Posted by USSdefiant (Member # 655) on :
Ok, I admit that it is my fault for your confusion. I meant Data's I wrote the post late at night and I got a bit lazy. I said that they seem to be able to calculate as fast as Data's because Data is one of the few non-vulcans that we have seen do the vulcan nerve pinch.
Posted by Jernau Morat Gurgeh (Member # 318) on :
It could also be a matter of how to apply the pressure. Although it never appears very violent in the series, the fact that Tuvok and Data can do it, and that humans can't, implies that it could involve greater strength, or maybe a complex application of pressure.
Posted by Da_bang80 (Member # 528) on :
I think i heard someone call it the "Vulcan Nerve Pinch" on TOS.
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
I hope you have forgiven me anyway they didn't use Tuvok as they should of. He could of been a great characcter. He always did investigations all he had to do was meld. I guess he didn't find this logical. Have you noticed that Tuvok gets beat up alot or his console explodes. I don't think Tim Russ was a good choice for a Vulcan. He did have some great eps though. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"...they didn't use Tuvok as they should of."
"...have."
"He could of..."
"...have..."
And is there any specific reason you didn't like Russ' performance? Personally, I thought he was a very convincing Vulcan...
Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
Spock did it more, cuz, well.... Leonard Nimoy helped invent the thing!
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Spock did it more because in those days they fought more. Tuvok didn't need to do it because he'd just get taken prisoner, be nice to one of his captors, who'd then stand up to the asshole bastard main captor and a) convince the others to be nice instead of nasty or b) just shoot him. They'd all then have a group hug and let Tuvok go.
Christ, how many times per season did we see that scenario played out, with some member of the crew held hostage while Janeway wrung her hands overhead and thousands of fans screamed out in unison "just fire some fucking warning shots, that'll put the wind up 'em!"
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
spock did invent the thing because in a scene he was supposed shoot some guy in the back. Nimoy suggested you do the nerve pinch cause it would be more logical.
Tim Russ was an okay Vulcan but not as good as Nimoy. I guess i couldn't enjoy him because he was always getting hurt. You remember in that 7th season episode with the Maquis uprising. anyway Spock would have never gotten strapped in that machine.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I think Tuvok was a fine Vulcan. I think the problem was in "What a Vulcan is".
(I'm gonna get shot for this)
I think that the Vulcans, as a race, are dull. Their devotion to logic and supression of emotions, while admiral in certain ways, doesn't make for very good TV.
Spock was interesting because he was half-human. Watching his two sides struggle was interesting. Seeing those little bits of human emotion sneak out, only for him to repress them again, was a delight. His friendship with both Kirk and Spock, where he obviously cred about both of them, was nice. His character in ST IV shows this, as, throughout the movie, he progresses from a "stock" Vulcan to the lovable Spock we knew from ST II, the one who had finally figured out how to use emotion in his life.
Data applies as well. He was the Vulcan ideal flipped. Spock had emotions, but tried to repress them (occasionally not very well). Data didn't have emotions, but wanted them, and occasionally gave displays that made him look like he had them.
Tuvok, though, was a "perfect" Vulcan. Sarak was a pure Vulcan but one married to a human, so he w as a little different. Tuvok was married to a Vulcan, was perfectly in control of his emotions, and was used less and less as "Janeways best friend" as time went on. End result? He was a bit dull.
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
I read somewhere that they didn't really know how to use Tuvok. Your right him an Janeway were best friends and that drifted away. Then he had Kes but she got dropped for Seven. Then they tried to make Tuvok and Neelix friends. I think they actually didn't really know what to do with Voyager they dropped to many story arcs . Like Janeways Holonovel or Harry Kim and Seven or Harry doing anything to get home.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, you have to watch out w/ those story arks. The waters recede, they run aground on Mt. Ararat, and nobody ever sees them again. Not to mention that you're overrun w/ animals...
Posted by Nimrod (Member # 205) on :
...and a big room for poo.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I'll save you the trouble of having to endure a lengthy pun based on story arches (although I hear they do help with your back posture).
Phlox: Arcs.
Posted by Dr Phlox (Member # 680) on :
Thanks for the grammar lesson.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Spelling, not grammar.
And this isn't a grammar lesson, either. It's a vocabulary lesson.
Posted by Jack_Crusher (Member # 696) on :
I think the Vulcans can do neck pinches, since most huminoids have a nerve on the neck region that when pinched, it causes temporary nervous system paralysis, leaving the victim temporarily incapacitated. We have seen that in human-standard gravity, that Vulcans are very strong, and they must have the necessary strength to pinch the nerve just right, and Data is extremely stronger than a Vulcan, so logic reasons that he would be able to mimic the precise strength of a Vulcan.
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Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Tuvok neck/nerve pinched one of the 8472 in the episode "In The Flesh". I know they were supposedly in human form, but you'd figure it'd be hard to do the telepathy thing and nail the neck pinch on them. Dunno. I always assumed that most humans lacked the precision of movement and strength to perform it properly.
Anyway, I thought Tim Russ did a fantastic job as a Vulcan. I mean he wasn't playing a half-human/half-Vulcan, like Spock. He was pure Vulcan and as someone previously mentioned he was playing it as a 'perfect' Vulcan. He suppresses his emotions quite effectively most of the time. He comes off as stiff. Even when his emotions slip due to some arcane physiological condition, he seemed out of sorts with his new found emotional landscape. I felt he did a wonderful job of playing the character he was given. If I were to fault anything it would be the parts he was given to play...
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
I was always struck by the fact that Vulcans are supposed to be pacifistic in the extreme, but Tuvok was in charge of the weapons. And in Basics he killed a guy with an arrow, even though Nimoy though Spock wouldnt punch someone out because it seemed too violent for a Vulc
Posted by akb1979 (Member # 557) on :
Tuvok didn't kill anyone with an arrow in "Bascis", he merely shot and wounded the guy.
As for the nerve pinch, I read/heard somewhere that the Vulcan's sent a mild electrical current through the nerve and that rendered their foe unconcious. If us humans could be rendered unconcious so easily, everyone would do it . . . hi, I want to knock you unconcious so I'll just pinch a nerve here and . . . (thud). Impractical, so maybe it's not a pinch as such but a mild shock to a nerve. That would explain Data's use of it - he's an android and can generate a mild electrical current.
