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Posted by Toadkiller (Member # 425) on :

WARNING wild speculation thread! (we have this DS9 forum, seems we should post SOMETHING on it)

OK - so I know we don't have any real info on the Dominion's invasion of Betazed. However, does it strike anyone else as a bad idea, that maybe they should have picked a different planet? (Leaving aside the wisdom of trying to occupy any planet in such a war).

How exactly do you conduct a holding operation on a planet were the resistance (and from the types of people we saw on Betazed I'd think there would be one) can read the occupation forces intentions? Obviously you can use violence and terror tactics, but from historical experience that doesn't work - at least not quickly. Imagine cells of resistance fighters, who don't need tracable com signals, know when the guards are looking the other way (and perhaps can use "offensive" telepathy). If the Bajoran resistance managed to baffle the technology of the Cardies then such a movement is feasible from a tech standpoint(?).

Is there any reasons mentioned that telepathy won't work with Vorta and/or Jem H's? I'm willing to leave aside the idea that a Founder shouldn't be able to fool a telepath, at least not one who knows the person "replaced".

Just trying to start something different - on the other hand there is always page 12 of the 359 thread if you prefer

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Perhaps the Dominion has telepaths of its own? Or telepathic inhabitors to inhibit the Betazed population. Perhaps the Jem'Hadar, like the Ferengi, can't be mind-scanned.

Still, imagine if Tam Elbrun was still around -- I'm sure he could fry quite a few Vorta and Jem'Hadar minds without a second thought.

Frankly, if Lwaxanna Troi was on Betazed, I could easily imagine the Dominion forces retreating in terror. "Take the planet, Federation! Take our ships! Just keep that woman away from us! Ahhhhhhhh!"

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Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :

I believe I read in a interview somewhere that TPTB wanted to have a crushing blow to the Federation by having one of its main member worlds invaded by the Dominion, only they couldn't decide which one it would be. They didn't want to choose a planet that was TOO important, but they also didn't want to choose a planet that the audience only had a passing familiarity with. Hence, Betazed seemed to be the perfect choice.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :

Didn't the Romulans "liberate" Betazed?

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

No. Benzar, I think. The people who needed the special breathers when they first showed up. (And I'm a little fuzzy as to whether they're UFP members or not. There are a couple in Starfleet proper, but you don't need to be a UFP citizen for that, and that officer exchange program suggests an independant world, or at least a world that's still in the application for membership stage.)

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :

Yeah, but that was ages ago - they're probably members by now, seeing as they were actually actively involved with the fighting.

Hmm...

BUT what if Benzar was just another world that was strategically important to the Dominion, and wasn't a Fed member? They just occupied it to facilitate supply routes, command lines, faster web access, etc.

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Posted by SIR SIG on :

By the time of the Dominion war, Benzar had been around for 10yrs there abouts, most likely in membership.

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Posted by dih1138 on :

Didn't the first Vorta we saw exhibit telekinetic ability? Why not also telepathy?

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :

Not telekinesis. I'd say pyrokinesis. Controlling chemical or psionic energy may be different from actually reaching out to someone in telepathy...

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Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :

There's supposed to be a (non-canon) Star Trek book coming out called "The Battle of Betazed" which will deal somewhat with events during the occupation and retaking of the planet. Unfortunately, it looks as though it won't be out until at least 4/2002.

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :

You know, I once (about 2 years ago) had this really cool idea where Federation or rogue scientists spliced the DNA of a Betazed and a Vulcan together, creating a really powerful telepath that had combatitive telekenisis as well!

I'd thought up a really deadly fight scene: a Cardassian bounty hounter tracks him (and another escapee from the (proverbial) research centre) to DS9, where a great big fight in Quark's Bar ensues. Odo intervenes, and barely manages to take down the ST version of Nate Grey with the bounty hunters help.

Just recalling those hazy lazy summer days...

[EDIT: for those interested, the "other escapee" was a cross between a Gargoyle and The Scorpion (from Spiderman]

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

I always had hoped that "the invasion of betazed" could have been a nice vehicle to bring back Lwaxana one more time on DS9. I would have like to have seen some damaged Federation ship limp up to the station, and then from behind a smoke filled airlock... burnt and sooty, and bruised a defiant Lwaxana and child emerge and ask for Odo's help in helping free Betazed... from his people.

Lwaxana would have turned basically into a resistance leader... but she would still be the Lwaxana we all know... and love?

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