I've finally read preliminary synopses of Nemesis and there are two things that I have to ask:
1) Was Marcus Nash notified of the role of Shinzon? Nash played young Picard in "Tapestry". 2) Why Leah Brahms? Why not Aquiel Uhnari? I liked the latter rather than the former.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
Is not the person who plays Uhnari doing full time soap opera and would not be available now (or then, a few months ago)?
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Well, has this Nash guy done anything tsince to justify such a major role? I mean, for instance, Shelby was a big role at the time, but now whenever I see Elizabeth Dennehy in a film these days she's increasingly further down the cast list. They're not going to cast some nobody in a major film role just because he had a one-ep guest slot on a TV show about 10 years ago.
As for Uhnari vs Brahms, they covered that in the TNG Compendium when discussing who Geordi's future-wife (in "AGT. . .") would be; Uhnari lost because TPTB hated the ep and didn't like the actress and couldn't even bear to mention it and her in passing.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:Why Leah Brahms
Did I miss something ... ?
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Supposedly, Geordi is going to bring Leah Brahms to the Riker/Troi wedding reception in the movie. What Mr. Brahms thinks about that is anyone's guess.
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Lt. Uhnari was played by actress Rene Jones who currently plays Dr. Lexie Carver on Days of Our Lives. So her shooting schedule is flexible considering she did take off to film that TNG episode. As one soap opera actress said (Kelly Ripa), "they'll work around your schedule."
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
Quick refresher. I remember Leah Brahms, but who was Lt. Uhnari?
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
She worked on a communications relay on the Klingon border and was kidnapped by the local Klingon patrol cruiser after her fellow officer on the station got "eaten" by a shapeshifting creature of some sort.
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
Is Leah actually there? I know IMDb's reporting it, but I've kicked it's ass over things like that in the past. Fanboy vermin think they're so bright when they submit unsubstantiated scuttlebut.
Mr. Nash doesn't appear to have had an onscreen acting career outside of his five seconds of fame in Tapestry, but I assume if he had an agent he'd have heard about it. These things are hardly hush-hush.
Michael "I bang Lexa Doig" Shanks read for the role of Shinzon, and Jude Law's name was kicked about, too. But apparently everyone in the know is gushing about this Tom Hardy guy's abilities, so I'd think that anyone who thinks bringing back obscure actors without speaking lines for the sake of continuity probably has their head screwed on improperly.
Posted by Raw Cadet (Member # 725) on :
Speaking of obscure, does not Tom Hardy's acting career amount to little more than a few minutes in "Black Hawk Down," and a few plays (not that I prefer what's-his-name from "Tapestry," but Tom Hardy is hardly A-list)?
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
He also did "Band of Brothers," IIRC.
Anyway, before A-list actors are A-list actors, what are they? All indications seem to be that whatever that category is, Tom Hardy belongs to it.
Besides, he's English. Young English actors tend not to run off to LA and land a role in a shampoo commercial in an effort to "break into" Hollywood. They go off to theatre school and perform really old stuff with big words in it in front of real live people, and then use their alleged competence to enter the Hollywood mainstream a little further up the food chain.
[ June 29, 2002, 23:45: Message edited by: The_Tom ]
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
You know, it surprised me how many British and Australian actors were in Black Hawk Down. I can picture Tom Hardy now -- if you watch BHD, he's one of the two guys who gets left behind by the convoy.
Posted by Thoughtchopper (Member # 480) on :
Nothing impresses me more than an English actor doing a Southern US accent.
It's just, they do it SO well.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Well, if "Leah Brahms" is in the movie, I doubt she'll be played by the same actor who played her in TNG. After all, the producers didn't go out of their way to bring back the same actors who played Picard's brother & nephew for Generations, did they?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
The producers do know Susan Gibney and feel she's a talented actress. She did come close to being cast as Janeway as I recall. And she was cast as Erika Benteen.
And I don't recall Robert Picard making any appearance at all in "Generations"
[ June 30, 2002, 21:02: Message edited by: Dat ]
Posted by Raw Cadet (Member # 725) on :
My beef is not with Tom Hardy, per se, and I certainly would not prefer the role of Schinzon (sp?) be played by a less accomplished, but bigger-named, actor. My problem is that the part calls for a twenty-something year old actor to begin with.
I have not read any of the supposed scripts, so perhaps my perceived problem is explained in them, or will be in the movie, but why would the Picard clone be in his twenties? Twenty years "ago" the Romulans had no contact with the Federation, so who cloned Picard? Now, I would not get my panties in a bunch if a story involved secret, nobody-else-found-out-about-it Romulan contact with the Federation during the time period in question, but why would such contact involve cloning Picard? How did the Romulans know he would be a valuable captain to clone? Or is/was it standard Romulan operating procedure to clone all Starfleet captains? And if the story suggests Picard was cloned during "The Next Generation" timeframe, or later, and the clone's ageing was accelerated, why did it stop at twenty?
Of course, if accelerated-then-stopped-ageing is, indeed, the case, the producers and writer are entitled to come up with whatever cockamamie reason they want to explain Schinzon's age. However, I submit it might have made more sense to accelerate the clone's age to match Picard's and allowed Patrick Stewart to play the role. We know Stewart can act, and he probably would have relished playing "evil" Picard. Also, with all due respect to Tom Hardy, Patrick Stewart is another man who went through the process described above by The_Tom, so, while Hardy might be highly trained, and gifted with great potential, Patrick Stewart has that and experience, and I find it hard to picture him and any young actor matching wits as equals on screen. Again, I do not mean to slight Hardy as much as to point out the incongruity of pitting a young, relatively inexperienced actor against a talented veteran and then expecting the audience to buy them as equals, two sides of the same coin.
[ June 30, 2002, 22:10: Message edited by: Raw Cadet ]
Posted by Thoughtchopper (Member # 480) on :
Marcus Nash was never very, well, very hard looking.
I'm sure they wanted somebody that could look like they were carved out of wood for the part of the villian.
Although, if the script is totally correct as compares to what makes it onscreen, I've got a BUNCH of questions about Picard's past now. But in difference to those that haven't read it, I'll save 'em.
They're probably all moot anyway.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:And if the story suggests Picard was cloned during "The Next Generation" timeframe, or later, and the clone's ageing was accelerated, why did it stop at twenty?
Why would it have been halted? Let's say he IS on accelerated ageing. How fast does it take to accelerate an ageing program? Maybe he ages 2 years for every actual year, and was thus first cloned 10 years ago.
Posted by Raw Cadet (Member # 725) on :
quote:Originally posted by Snay: Why would it have been halted? Let's say he IS on accelerated ageing. How fast does it take to accelerate an ageing program? Maybe he ages 2 years for every actual year, and was thus first cloned 10 years ago.
I apologize; I was not very clear. Though I did say "accelerated-then-stopped," I was referring to the producers choosing to portray Schinzon at twenty-something. He could still be ageing at whatever rate the story requires to make sense; I, however, think they should have kept on ageing him until he was Picard's age, for the reasons I offered above.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
^ Well, they very well may be. But of course, they need to educate him, too. It's possible he's been "engineered" to age faster rather then having to stay in a chamber. Be crazy to clone Picard if he's got the mental capacity of a baby and the body of a sixty-year old! Posted by Raw Cadet (Member # 725) on :
quote:Originally posted by Snay: Be crazy to clone Picard if he's got the mental capacity of a baby and the body of a sixty-year old!
I cannot decide if what you say would result in an Academy Award winning performance from Patrick Stewart, or in plumbing depths not visited since "Star Trek V."
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I believe the circulated script has Shinzon being cloned, aging normally, then being dumped on Remus because they decided they didn't want him after all.
[ July 01, 2002, 00:32: Message edited by: TSN ]
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Yeah, but the script also has Shinzon's cells destabilizing slowly because there is a built-in ability to suddenly age up to the true Picard's age. So the script simultaneously mentions the ability to force-age clones, while having Shinzon be gestated at a time when the Romulans had no contact with the Federation, then agiung him normally for about 20 years.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
quote:And I don't recall Robert Picard making any appearance at all in "Generations"
You're right about that. However, there are photos in Picard's family album showing Robert, & the pictures don't show the same actor who played him in the series. Considering they could have just used stills of Jeremy Kemp from the episode he was in, it didn't make sense to use pics of some other guy.
Posted by Capped In Mic (Member # 709) on :
they wanted family shots, and they hadnt taken any real high quality stills that resembled the shots they wanted, so they made new ones.. its also possible that had taken shots they could use, but for whatever reason, Kemp decided not to grant them the rights to use them.
would it really be worth their time to hire an old television actor for what amounted to a photo spread? it just didnt seem feasible.. and as to replacing little Rene, it made sense, because that kid had grown up. (to be a really lame Picard replacement in 'Rascals' if i recall)..
you guys need to get with the realities of film production.. same with the Marcus Nash deal.. he didnt seem to be an actor, but rather a stuntman or extra who was picked to play young Picard in an action sequence (with no lines).. id rather they give the role to someone who could handle it, like Hardy.
and as to the clone age issue, its at the crux of the story because its the whole motiviation built into Shinzon is that his body has funky stuff going on relating to regular aging verus false aging and his programmed death...
[ July 01, 2002, 08:15: Message edited by: Capped In Mic ]
Posted by Raw Cadet (Member # 725) on :
If what the supposed script says (according to TSN and Vogon Poet above) turns out to really be Shinzon's backstory in the film, it seems to me the producers/writer chose the most convoluted explanation(s) possible. So, Shinzon was cloned when the Romulans were in a period of isolation (with regards to the Federation)? Again, I am not the type to condemn all involved with such a story as Star Trek heretics, as it would be possible for individual persons of estranged powers to engage in secret contact with each other without the governing powers finding out. But it still begs the question: why did the Romulans clone Picard? And if, in the movie, the Romulans can accelerate his ageing process, why write that he would be younger than Picard (a problem to me for reasons I explained up above)? Or is Shinzon Picard's age, and Tom Hardy wears a Patrick Stewart mask in the movie ( )?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I just had a horrible thought... Temporal Cold War... UGH! Maybe the Romulans found out about Picard's antics that way. Grrrr.
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