I've had some thoughts running around my head since then - and I'd like to put them down - I hope I can remember them all.
1. Was there anything 'cut' added back into the movie?
2. I noticed the end credits were redone.
3. I turned on the audio commentary just at the last scene - I went back and watched the end again - and interesting what Leonard says about what he wanted for Vulcan - would have been fantastic with some more money. That would have been great to see that entire pathway up to Mt. Selaya. And after he mentioned it I went back - and those women bearing Spock WERE floating him with their hands above him!!
4. I think this has one ripper soundtrack (but this was something I discovered several years ago when I bought the soundtrack (on LP!! 2nd hand).
5. Why didn't Uhura go with them to get Spock? Why did she go straight to Vulcan?
6. I noticed (probably because my brightness was turned up) than in scenes like of the Enterprise returning home, or the Grissom in orbit of Genesis that you can still see the matte lines around the ships - hello I would have thought this was something they would have removed?
7. Has anyone noticed that the Helm (on the left) on the Grissom is the same as the Yeoman? (standing next to Styles) on the Excelsior!?!
8. I've never noticed that the Excelsior bridge has the forward station split.
9. You can hear a lot of the announcents during the scene in the Admiral's lounge... on "Captain Styles" to report somewhere. And one for "Commander Chekov" to report somewhere - was he a Commander (at least Lt. Commander) in ST:III? I think he was.
10. The destruction of the Enterprise is still spectacular and very emotional. The looks on the crew's faces - I don't know - it seems heigtened on the DVD!
11. One of the Vulcan guards looks human - i.e. his eyebrows aren't very distinctly Vulcan.
12. What was it like - for those of you who first saw it at the cinema and who had grown up on TOS - to see Sarek at the door?
13. I noticed that the 'preview' that is on the 2nd disc actually GIVES AWAY the destruction of the Enterprise.
14. That 'smarmy shit' who asks if they will have a welcome party - seems to be given a bit of a spot-light as if he is important. A couple of years back I though it was OJ Simpson!! Of course it isn't - but still, I'm not guessing him to be a big cameo name... It's that same guy who plays the guy on the Ares. He also was in that crappy 80's version of Mission: Impossible (played the similar role to his father) I'm wondering if this is why he got the bit as Leonard Nimoy was in Mission: Impossible - with his father wasn't he. Can't remember his name, but he also plays Jakie what's his name - Kramer's lawyer on Seinfeld. I think he's also played a Klingon at one stage.
Uhura had a GREAT scene in the transporter room - and the looks on the others faces are priceless!
I wish we had more of this 'other character' stuff - the Sulu stuff is priceless - he just blasts the shit out of stuff - without a care!
LOL!
15. They let the trainees off somewhere... where did they do this and why wouldn't they have gone all the way back to Earth? Probably had all their nerves shot to pieces and sent to the Tantalus V rehab colony! Also they had to go back for the crew of the Reliant in ST:II - I guess THEY got off with the trainees.
16. Who is that bald-headed alien in the debriefing scene with Fleet Admiral Morrow? I mean what does he look like - I couldn't get a good glimse of his face - is he a TOS alien done up for the movies? Is he a TMP alien?
17. This movie is severely underrated. (really it and ST:II go together)
"You do this Kirk, you'll never sit in the Captain's chair again".
LOL! They should have got styles back in ST:IV to be in the council chambers for Kirks Demotion/Promotion!
Also there is a few references to the 'galactic conference'. I would assume that this is the same conference that we see in Star Trek: IV. And that that isn't just a Federation Council meeting.
Andrew
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
5. I always thought Uhura had to try and cover Kirk & Co's tracks for as long as possible.
6. George Lucas is not involved in "Star Trek."
9. Yes. Chekov was a Lt. Commander in Star Trek II -- remember, he was Reliant's XO.
13. Previews have a disturbing tendancy to give away the film.
14. Yep. That's the guy.
15. They probably off-loaded the survivors of the Reliant onto a ship in better condition, especially given the medical care many of them probably would have needed. Same with most of the trainee cruise -- how many of those guys were killed or badly wounded? A lot. Starfleet also probably wanted to get them some psychological help -- you don't expect to see your classmates killed on a training mission!
17. Really, TWOK, TSFS, and TVH go together.
Is TVH coming out SE too? I hope so.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:Yes. Chekov was a Lt. Commander in Star Trek II
That's hardly possible since Fletcher hadn't designed a Lt. Cmdr. pin at that time.
The TVH SE will be released on March 4.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
Whatever. He was either a Lt. Commander or a Commander.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
And the bald alien was a new one. The only other alien it slightly resembles is one of Peter David's Excalibur crew (a Brikar or something).
Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :
This is obtained from the novelisation of Star Trek III.
1) The Enterprise never went to Celti Alpha V. Instead her trainee crew left on another ship. Another ship retrived the Reliant crew.
2) Uhura used her skills to prevent Starfleet from sending ships after the Enterprise. She was given protection by Ambassador Sarek and taken to Vulcan.
I hope this helps.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Also, the phaser props were different between STII and STIII - with no time passing in between. However, since the STII phasers were seen being used by Starfleet later, it doesn't rule out them having two types in use simultaneously.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
There was nothing changed about the film other than an improved digital transfer for the DVD. This will be the case for the TVH and TFF DVDs as well.
As far as I know, there is only one deleted scene that exists for TSFS. In the scene where McCoy is speaking to Spock in the BoP's sickbay, they filmed a shot where after Bones is finished telling Spock that he's missed him and that he couldn't stand to loose him again, he looks around and Kirk is standing in the doorway behind him with a tear rolling down his cheek. Nimoy and Bennett cut this one shot because they felt that it should be a private moment between Spock and McCoy, and that having Kirk there listening wasn't apprpriate.
Nimoy is referred to as an "economic" director because he doesn't like to film anything that isn't going to get used in the final film. So there's very little in the way of deleted scenes from his two Trek films.
-MMoM Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Thanks for the answers.
I hope they interview the Motor-cycle cop for the The Voyage Home! LOL! Supposedly he didn't know what was going on. He was just a cop on the street.
Also, what does Chekov say to Scotty in Russian?
ALSO, another name I heard in the Admiral's lounge was (Commander?) West - now can a Colonel be a Commander - i.e. are their Commanders in the Army??/Whatever the hell Colonel West was??
Posted by Ace (Member # 389) on :
Revealed in the commentary, Chekov says, "I'm not crazy!" in Russian as he points to the status alert about the doors to Spock's quarters being opened.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
Andrew,
IIRC, Colonel West was in Star Trek VI.
In the US military, the rank of Lt. Colonel corrosponds to the rank of Commander, and the rank of Colonel to Captain. This is how Marine ranks translate to their Naval equivilants.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Yes, but a 'West' was heard over the Admiral Lounge's loudspeakers, along with Chekov and Styles.
It wasn't Colonel West - maybe it was - but I'm sure it was Commander or something.
Andrew
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: [QB]I hope they interview the Motor-cycle cop for the The Voyage Home! LOL! Supposedly he didn't know what was going on. He was just a cop on the street.
Also, what does Chekov say to Scotty in Russian?
Actually, the cop was doing security for the movie while they were filming, so he did know what was going on. However, the scene in question was indeed done in a sort of "candid camera" fashion to some extent. (Nimoy talks about this in his book I Am Spock.) He kind of just laid in the back of the truck with the camera so it wasn't very noticeable and filmed the reactions of passers-by to Nichols and Koenig's antics. In particular, the dark-haired woman who says "Oooh...I don't know if I know the answer to that...I think it's across the bay...in Alameda..." was just a person who walked by on the street, but they thought she was so great that they later tracked her down and worked out a contract so they could pay her for the performance.
And, according to Mike Okuda's text commentary, Chekov says (approximately) "I'm not crazy! There it is!" to Scotty when he points wildly at the screen blip.
-MMoM Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Ahhh ok, I read where the woman AND the cop (if he's security - hang on is that a security uniform or the uniform of San Fran cops?).
I thought too it was bizarre that the 'cop' was just sorta staring at them.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Oh something else I saw when looking through the 'extras' disc. The 'study model'? of The Oberth "U.S.S. Grissom" is labelled the Valiant!
Oh and did anyone else realise Bill George was so (relatively) young??
I mean this is 18 years ago - at the youngest he was - what 25?
[ January 26, 2003, 03:42 AM: Message edited by: AndrewR ]
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Oh something else I saw when looking through the 'extras' disc. The 'study model'? of The Oberth "U.S.S. Grissom" is labelled the Valiant!
I noticed that too. I'm pretty sure it was the actual studio miniature proper. I took it as proof that the Oberth in Generations was indeed labelled Valiant.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote: In the US military, the rank of Lt. Colonel corrosponds to the rank of Commander, and the rank of Colonel to Captain. This is how Marine ranks translate to their Naval equivilants
So presumeably that would make Colonel West a Marine. Were there any uniform differences between him and a regular fleet officer?
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Since they hadn't had enough money for new uniforms, West wore the uniform of a Vice Admiral.
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
It's not just how Marine ranks translate, it's also how Army and Air Force ranks translate as well. The nonmaritime services have one naming set for their ranks while the maritime utilize another.
Also, while the nonmaritime services don't have a rank of commander per se, those with commands in those services are still sometimes referred to as Commander, as in the commander of whatever unit they lead. Although referring to Colonel (Major at this point?) West in that sort of environment would be awfully confusing.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Perhaps "Colonel" is a nickname given to West, just like Odo's called a "Constable".
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Where is this Valiant pic? Can someone make a cap?
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
That Rene, always getting nicknames... Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
quote:Originally posted by Dax: I noticed that too. I'm pretty sure it was the actual studio miniature proper. I took it as proof that the Oberth in Generations was indeed labelled Valiant.
I hope that wasn't the 'proof of the Generations Valiant reference. That is DEFINITELY NOT the filming miniature of the Grissom! The word Valiant is off to the side, not in the front of the ship. The details on the model are totally wrong, especially the two bluish crystals behind the saucer.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harry: Perhaps "Colonel" is a nickname given to West, just like Odo's called a "Constable".
He did seem to be head of Starfleet's commando division. It's not impossible that everyone calls him "Colonel" as nickname if he's in charge of the ground troops, and given that he wore a vice admiral's pin, he's almost certainly within the normal rank structure.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Yes, I've just found the featurette on the DVD and that is definitely a study model and not the actual finished product.
So, was this the alleged studio model pic that people claimed must have been the ship in Generations? Because if it is, then they were totally wrong. And where'd they get the NCC-20000 from? There's no number on that prototype maquette.
Or did they later label the actual studio model Valiant with the NCC-20000 for GEN, and the fact that the name was also on the old STIII study is just a coincidence?
Someone who remembers actually seeing the ILM "Movie Magic" documentary, tell us please?
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
Yeah, I had another look and that's not the final Oberth miniature after all. The first time I watched the featurette, on seeing the Valiant name I immediately connected it with the Generations story. Looks like that was a mistake. Posted by Revanche (Member # 953) on :
I think he meant that it was an actual cop, on rent-a-cop duty. _________________________________________________________ Love can sweep you off your feet and carry you along in a way you've never known before. But the ride always ends, and you end up feeling lonely and bitter. Wait. It's not love I'm describing. I'm thinking of a monorail. - Jack Handey
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike: Since they hadn't had enough money for new uniforms, West wore the uniform of a Vice Admiral.
it would have been so goddamn easy for them to either 1)give him a captain pin/uniform and call him 'colonel', establishing he was a starfleet marine of a rank equivalent to naval captain. 2)give him the admiral pin and uniform, and call him 'general', establishing he was a Starfleet marine of a rank equivalent to naval admiral.
just a thought.. Kirk got away with a grade reduction, in the years between TMP and TWOK, he commanded the Enterprise as an admiral, but was referred to as captain (probably more due to naval parlance, his position as ship's skipper).. perhaps this could hold true for Fleet infantry, calling a General 'Colonel' because he was taking charge of a force that would normally be commanded by a colonel? its a stretch.
made more difficult by the fact that Kirk went ahead and wore a captain's insignia in TMP, giving himself a grade reduction (and doing the same to Decker, down to commander).. BTW, another thought, why he thought it necessary to do that to Will? since in ST:V and VI Kirk was a Captain and his executive, Spock, was also a Captain.. I guess Kirk just liked picking on Decker and demoted him accordingly.
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote: It's not just how Marine ranks translate, it's also how Army and Air Force ranks translate as well. The nonmaritime services have one naming set for their ranks while the maritime utilize another.
Well, they do in the US forces. The RAF have their own ranks; Lt. Col./Commander is equivilent to a Wing Commander.
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
Yes, but they don't matter.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Or, more to the point, why Kirk didn't just leave Decker as the Captain of the Enterprise and stay on board himself (as Rear Admiral) as the mission director -- a situation we saw often enough in TOS.
Heck, why didn't Kirk just declare the Enterprise his flagship. Would have made things a lot less messy.
--Jonah
P.S. There is no canon evidence Kirk stayed on the Enterprise as Captain between TMP and TWOK.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by OnToMars: Yes, but they don't matter.
its true!
the second five-year mission is talked about too often to be dismissed among fandom. i doubt theyll contradict it anytime soon.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
What about that VOY episode where hat Borg kid (Eegah, or Isho', or whatever his name was) was reciting his history lesson and mentioned Kirk's mission ending in 2270? Did he say anything to the effect of "Kirk's five-year mission" (implying only one) or "Kirk's first five-year mission" (implying more)?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Maybe "Captain" Kirk's five year mission and not "Admiral" Kirk's five year mission (between TWP and TWOK. I also give enought time between TFF (which was just after TVH - really 2,3,4 and 5 probably happened in the on year.
I think some shore leave and then back out for another 5 year mission - which ended with TUC.
Andrew
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Don't forget that Kirk was retired for a period of time...
Posted by Cpt. Kyle Amasov (Member # 742) on :
How can I do screencaps from the DVD? Any programs recommended? If I know how I could do some.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
PowerDVD (the full version), or else Hypersnap DX (you can download a trial version somewhere. Use Google). And there's a thread about DVD caps somewhere in the Officers Lounge.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
can't you just press print screen while it is playing?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Topher: Don't forget that Kirk was retired for a period of time...
That was before he came back into service at the time of the E-B launching - or was he just wearing a uniform for ceremonial reasons? But in Generations yes, he did say he went back to service. But for all we know - that could have even been during or just after TOS?
Maybe it was after the 2nd five year mission (in the TMP uniforms) but before the scenes in TWOK?
Andrew
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
I think retired officers are allowed to wear their old uniforms, no?
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: can't you just press print screen while it is playing?
That doesn't work with DVDs.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
while we're on the topic, how do you grab a screen from a (non-DVD) video file.. WinMedia Player and DiVX don't allow the printscreen feature to work, and a lot of my .avi or .mpg files aren't supported by QuickTime (which allows you to copy frames)..
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Topher: I think retired officers are allowed to wear their old uniforms, no?
I think Admiral Jameson from "too short a season" (tng) was originally retired and he still wore a SF uniform. Unless of course he was reactivated for that specific mission, which also could be the case with Kirk and Co. in Generations.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Yeah how DO you grab .avi's etc. I had a few boobage scenes of Erin from Survivor in one episode but it didn't work! Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Hypersnap DX can grab DivX.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Kirk's retirement is a matter of some interpretation. In the Nexus, he relives the events that precede his first death by nine years, and talks about "returning to Starfleet". This would mean he came back from retirement just a smidgen before ST2 (unless the Romulan Ale date in that movie was some sort of a joke, and unless all other TOS movie dating is really skewered).
However, the word "retirement" is never really uttered in the scene. Kirk could have been in active service, and merely on weekend leave to see Antonia - and instead of saying "Okay, that was fun, be seeing you, Sarah... Uh, Marie... I mean, Antonia" he now plans to say "To hell with Starfleet, I think I will retire now!"
Conversely, "Generations" explicitly confirms Kirk is retired during the launch of the E-B. By Scotty's words, "Finding retirement a wee bit lonely, now are we?" Or something like that.
In any case, a retirement period before ST2 cuts down on the credibility of a second 5-yr mission at that slot (especially if ST:TMP is pushed even further back from the current 2273 date to 2275 or something). And while a mission between ST5 and ST6 is a possibility, we hear that our heroes apart from Kirk have lost track of Sulu's whereabouts. And Sulu has been on assignment for *three fricking years*! If the rest of the Kirk bunch were on a joint mission prior to ST6, it must have terminated and the crew must have scattered before Sulu sailed out. Which means the mission can't readily have been a five-year one.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Maybe you can have 3 and 5 year missions? I might post my rough - timeline I posted to aus.sf.star-trek for a newbie who didn't/wanted to know the time between Enterprise and TNG.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Here is a little timeline
2003 �--- you are here
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2063 �---- Zephram Cochrane and first Human Warp flight (First Contact)
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2151 �---- NX-01 Enterprise launched under the command of Captain Jonathon Archer
((around this time was the Earth-Romulan war.))
2161 �----- Federation Founded with found members that included at least Humans, Vulcans, Andorians and Tellarites.
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2255 events of "The Cage" (11 years before 2266)
2264 � Captain Pike at end of his 2nd 5 year mission on the Enterprise 2265�---- Enterprise Captained by James T. Kirk's 5 year mission commences (not RIGHT at the start of the year presumably.) 2266 most of TOS season 1 except probably "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and a few others. 2267 TOS season 2 2268 TOS season 3 2269 TAS season 1 and 2
2270�---- Kirk's 1st 5 year mission ends (mentioned by Icheb in Voyager)
2272�----- The events of Star Trek: The Motion Picture (Kirk not logged a single Star Hour in 2 and a half years - Will Decker)
((possible 2nd 5 year mission before Enterprise used as a Cadet training ship.))
2283�----- Events of Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn (roughly 15 years after Space Seed 2283�---- Events of Star Trek III: The Search for Spock 2283�---- Events of Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home 2283�---- Events of Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
((possibly another 2, five year missions))
2293�---- Events of Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country 2293�---- Events of Star Trek Generations and the Enterprise B (78 Years before 2371)
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2344 Enterprise 1701-C destroyed defending the Klingon outpost on Nerendra III (Yesterday's Enterprise)
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2364 Enterprise 1701-D commissoned (Galaxy Class) TNG season 1 2365 TNG season 2 2366 TNG season 3 2367 TNG season 4 2368 TNG season 5 2369 TNG season 6/DS9 season 1 2370 TNG season 7/DS9 season 2 2371 Star Trek: Generations/DS9 season 3/Voyager season 1 2372 DS9 season 4/Voyager season 2 2373 DS9 season 5/Voyager season 3/Star Trek: First Contact 2374 DS9 season 6/Voyager season 4 2375 DS9 season 7/Voyager season 5/Star Trek: Insurrection 2376 Voyager season 6 2377 Voyager season 7 2378 Star Trek: Nemesis
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
The Enterprise -D was commissioned at the end of the previous year, on October 4, 2363. "Encounter at Farpoint" would've happened in February, 2364.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
the founding members of the federation are purely conjectural at this point.. its just as likely that andor will be at war with vulcan until they make peace in 2213, or whatever..
BTW, TWOK probably shouldn't take place in 2283.. if that was the year on the ale bottle, then wouldn't Kirk have said 'this year?' instead of repeating the name of the year.. i'd place TWOK in 2284 or 5
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
But it actually BEING 2283 - makes the joke more funny, and him being more sarcastic.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: But it actually BEING 2283 - makes the joke more funny, and him being more sarcastic.
Agreed. Plus placing TWOK at a later year undermines Kirk's and Khan's 15 years since "Space Seed" dialogue.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
It's an old argument, but really: this was Romulan ale, straight from the border. You think the Romulans are printing Earth dates on their bottles? Even the Federation at large doesn't often use Earth dates, they use stardates. English may be the standard language, but stardates are the standard dates. There is no logical reason for that to be an Earth date, and 2283 happens to line up very nicely with the idea that the Romulan exodus from Vulcan was about 2000 years ago. If Romulus is M-class and orbits a star similar to Sol, it should have roughly the same year length as Earth. It fits perfectly.
In other words, TWoK could be 2283, it could be 2287, it is inconsequential with regards to the date on the bottle.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
The thing is, though, what was the intention of the filmmakers in this case? Not that that's the end of the issue, but it would be nice to know. Unfortunately, I don't think either Okuda or Meyer makes any mention of the bottle in their respective commentaries, their attention being instead directed towards the reediting that scene received for the DVD.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I think it was supposed to be an Earth year. Maybe whoever imported it put a translation on the bottle. And McCoy's "it takes a while" joke seems facetious: something not unlike in the Three Stooges shorts when they would show a bottle of "Old Panther - distilled yesterday".
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
I took "2283" as the calendar year, and that by WOK in 2285 the Romulan Ale would've been two years old. However, it could alos be that the bottle was marked with a Stardate and Stardate 2283 would've put the drink back at the time of TOS, in which case "It takes this stuff a while to ferment" means that many years have passed.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Aha! Then maybe, just maybe, the "2283" represents the date the stuff is ready - and maybe even, more importantly, safe - to drink! Not that you'd think Romulan Ale smugglers would concern themselves with correct food labelling, but then it wouldn't help if your entire customer base either died or went blind or something. . .
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
i can't believe we are having this discussion.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I can't believe there is a 11 year gap between TMP and TWOK.....and Uhura is still moldering away in that chair! She must have a hell of a ass groove by STVI!
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
i must point out that her chair was destroyed over Genesis, forcing the creation of a new ass groove for the 1701-A. and the reupholstered often.
anywho, i dont have any big issues with the Okudachron, except of course Q2 placing TMP a year later in 2372 and maybe tweaking TWOK into 2284, and TSFS and TVH accordingly (since they were mere weeks and months apart).
BTW i just noticed a huge mistake in my movie era time estimates, in TUC spock says praxis exploded 'two months ago' at the briefing scene, yet in 'Flashback' it was only a few days after. So the mistake is that they made the episode 'Flashback' because it was awful.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
A bigger mistake in the awful "fLashback" is that in the end of STVI the bridge officer (can't remember his frellin name) is alive and kicking while in Flashback he's dead and rotting.
...and Uhura's weight gain in the later movies was too make up for lost groovin' time in her chair. I bet the other shifts just used another station to avoid the "Uhura funk" of the chair.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
What really bugged me most was the Excelsior's bridge in "Flashback", specifically, the Navigation and Helm stations (which were resued graphics from the E-B and not the original ones used in ST6) and the port turbolift (which in the episode was just a hallway with no door). Oh, the starboard list as well seeing as it was not a round lift.
Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
"Flashback" is quite simply a good example of what's wrong with the Voyager series.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Personally, I thought the worst part of the episode was, sadly, George Takai.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
George Takei wasn't bad though.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
...except George Takei was pretty bad. Still it could've been worse: it could have been Checkov. Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
DOUBLE WINNERS!
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
nah Grace Lee Whitney delivered her lines with all the feeling of a computer.. plus she had to squint to see the cue cards.. definitely the ost aggravating part of the episode for me.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I thiught Grace Lee Whitney was animatronic....she's not? I heard soewhere that Disney made her for a display and Shatner fell in love with it...
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Wit.
Anyway, the thing was, I didn't expect anything great from Ms. Whitney, but George had always been fine before.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Look, it was the end of season 2 voyager - what did you expect?
Voyager lost it after Season 1 (the finale really was the 39ers.)
Didn't get it back until just before Season 4 (Real Life) and lost it again until the start of season 5 where it lost it again half-way through.
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
That's funny, I thought Voyager lost it during the opening crawl of "Caretaker" and never got it back...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Season 1 was fantastic.
I was lucky in 1995 - I friend brought back with him the night after it had aired the pilot - so I got to see Caretaker in Australia the day or two after it was screened in the US. Probably only a very small handful at that time - probably no one else. No downloading episodes then.
Anyway he eventually got the next 6 episodes over from his relatives. It was great being able to watch all these episodes so soon.
Parallax was good - it wasn't FANTASTIC - it didn't end how I thought it would - but the anticipation was still there after the fantastic pilot. The series in season 1 had an actual direction and focus. Parturition was I think the official first episode of season 2 (filmed) and it was C-R-A-P. Soooo bad. From then on it had really lots it's energy.
But going back to season 1 Caretaker, Parallax then Time and Again. FANTASTIC episode for such a new series. What else? State of Flux was AMAZING - with Seska. And the episode with the Space folding where Tuvok went against Janeway. Then there was Eye of the Needle. Eps like Cathexis and Emenations weren't so fantastic. And "The Cloud" was another obvious bottle. Ex Post Facto was so so. Jetrel was bloody amazing. Thanks to James Sloyan. Heroes and Demons was original and REALLY good - and fun. Kim and Chuckles were sucked up and nearly died!! Persistance of Vision was FANTASTIC. I really like that episode. And yes, even though it was released for season 2, it's a season 1 episode. I think Australia might have even seen the last four eps of Season 1 before the US - cause we have the videos and those episodes come on videos 1.9 and 1.10. It has the tape release date on the back - I should go up and check one day and match it with those episodes original air date!
Even learning curve was good - and it gave us a few other characters. The series pretty soon dropped it's energy and enthusiasm a lot. While being 'not bad' it wasn't 'good' either. Most of season 2 - except for a few stand outs and most of season 3 were shokers. Some of the stand outs... Prototype, Deathwish, Deadlock and Tuvix for season 2 and The Chute and Remember for season 3 which just plan reaked up until the dramatic turn-around at "Before and After" There should have been more Kes episodes like that.
After that for the rest of the season we get Real Life, Distant Origin, Worst Case Scenario and Scorpion - which were all corkers. Even WCS which was basically a bottle episode.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
quote: Heroes and Demons was original
Minus the part that was over 1,000 years old?
Though I have to say I largely agree with you here, at least in regards to those episodes you praise. Well, most of them. But, I am easy to please.
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
Back to the topic. I'm running ST3 in the background right now and listening to the commentary track. I glanced over just as the Grisson detects Spock's burial tube.
METALLIC MASS 2 METERS LONG CYLINDRICAL TERMINIUM
But, of course, what else would you make a casket out of but a TERMINAL material. Oy...
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: ALSO, another name I heard in the Admiral's lounge was (Commander?) West
Shortly after that, a female voice says "$�%$% Shuttlecraft 8". Did anyone undestand what she said before "Shuttlecraft 8"?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Tuvixwascrapburnit
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I think the name before 'shuttlecraft 8' was Captain Styles.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Oh and another little something - did anyone realise that the computer voice for the space-dock was done by Judi Duran - the voice for the Cardassian Computers!
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
not only did i know that, i am also filled with shame because of my knowledge.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
As you should be.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
and to seal my geeky fate..
Judi Durand Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Thanks Mike, didn't think the surname looked correct. I wonder if Judi Durand does conventions?
heh heh "hey DO the VOICE - y'know - the VOICE"!!
Now do the STIII spacedock computer voice!!"
*JD to herself* "What have I gotten myself into here? There better be free alcohol!"**
**In no way does this post try imply Judi Durand drinks alcohol, or is an alcoholic!
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: I think the name before 'shuttlecraft 8' was Captain Styles.
I really had a hard time hearing the comm over the musical score, but I did hear a commander west...also right as kirk was walking out of the cafe from his chat with admiral morrow there was an announcement that said: "Captain Styles, Briefing Room, Level 10, Captain Styles".
Its curious why closed captioning didnt cover the PA announcement, and at that, it even cut corners in some of the lines, whereas the dvd box sets have every word spoken plus ones in the background you dont always hear. For example; in Yesterdays Enterprise closed captioning caught the following:
"Fleet formation briefing in Main War Room at 1500 hours."
"Dr. Joshua Kim report to Station Ops."
"Ensign Thomas, report to Combat Information Center, Ensign Thomas, CIC."
"Dr. Salar, report to null-g ward, STAT"
(I think even the Encyclopedia said it was Dr. Selar (the Vulcan), the closed captioning states otherwise, and I have found it thus far to be exceptionally accurate)
"Lt. Barren...."
and
"Triage Team Two to Main Shuttle Bay"
just incase anyone was wondering, I didnt actually take the time yet to do a search on it otherwise....
oh, and how on earth was anyone able to pick up "USS Merrimack" on TMP? Closed captioning only got the Revere & Columbia reference, and the rest was overshadowed by music and the jumble of radio chatter.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
It could have been cut out for the DVD release like the Entente (IIRC).
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:"Dr. Joshua Kim report to Station Ops." "Ensign Thomas, report to Combat Information Center, Ensign Thomas, CIC." "Lt. Barren...."
Thanks. Finally I get those names.
quote:the closed captioning states otherwise, and I have found it thus far to be exceptionally accurate
Well, I've seen many spelling errors while watching my TNG DVDs.
quote:oh, and how on earth was anyone able to pick up "USS Merrimack" on TMP?
By listening very carefully to the rear speakers.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
When I was first deciphering the comm chatter at Epsilon IX, I had my surround sound system set up and I disabled all but one of the five speakers at a time and played the scene through five times. You gat slightly different sounds through each of the speakers. I personally haven't heard the Merrimack reference yet though.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harry: It could have been cut out for the DVD release like the Entente (IIRC).
I've been trying to disspell this erroneous rumor for a while now. The Entente reference was not edited out of any version of the film that I have come across. (These include the original theatricsl release VHS, the "special longer version" VHS, and the new DVD. I haven't ever checked out the Laserdisc version myself, but I had a friend who said it was on there too.) Don't know where this whole "the Entente got edited out" thing started, but it's clearly not true.
There's a lot of layers of comm chatter that aren't covered by the CC on the DVD or VHS, but you've got to fiddle with the sound balance a bit and get down right next to the speakers to hear them. There's a mention of a "long range shuttle" whose name sounds like "LAY-KEE-UH" and the Merrimac reference comes just after that. It's almost impossible to make out the name, but the registry of NCC-1715 (which we know to be the Merrimac's from FJ's Tech Manual) is fairly clear.
Incidentally, going even deeper still into the comm chatter, I think I hear references to a starship Lincoln. But I can't be sure. I think MrNeutron asked Andrew Probert about the comm chatter some time ago, and Mr. Probert said he'd try to dig up a transcript of the full content of the Epsilon IX transmissions, but I haven't heard about it since.
-MMoM Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: [QUOTE]Incidentally, going even deeper still into the comm chatter, I think I hear references to a starship Lincoln. But I can't be sure. I think MrNeutron asked Andrew Probert about the comm chatter some time ago, and Mr. Probert said he'd try to dig up a transcript of the full content of the Epsilon IX transmissions, but I haven't heard about it since.
-MMoM
Yeah, I asked Andy about it...but either he's forgotten, or he hasn't found it. I have to call him later tonight so I'll try to remember to ask about it.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by MrNeutron: Yeah, I asked Andy about it...but either he's forgotten, or he hasn't found it. I have to call him later tonight so I'll try to remember to ask about it.
Hey hey whoa, being that I am new and this comment raised an eyebrow, just who exactly are you to get a phone number like that and how?
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Mr. Probert is a personal acquaintance of his. They became friends while working on a video game project some years ago, IIRC.
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy:
quote:Originally posted by MrNeutron: Yeah, I asked Andy about it...but either he's forgotten, or he hasn't found it. I have to call him later tonight so I'll try to remember to ask about it.
Hey hey whoa, being that I am new and this comment raised an eyebrow, just who exactly are you to get a phone number like that and how?
Connections...my boy, it's all about connections...
Actually, I have been friends with Andy Probert since the mid 90s, and I've been to his home a number of times when he lived in the San Francisco area. I've even worn his Cylon helmet. Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
And if you have a DVD player that can play that scene in reverse, you hear Gene Roddenberry saying "Spock is dead." Eerie.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I thought the reversed DVD says 'Enterprise Class'
No, about the Entente - when I watched my DVD of it - I wasn't really doing the whole 'listening for minutiae thing' cause I was actually watching the movie - but I'm pretty sure I caught 'Entente' out compared to the other's you've mentioned here.
Why'd they cut the Computer desiphering the Klingon message? I.K.C. Amar (in that really nasally American accent). Majel didn't do that did she?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: I thought the reversed DVD says 'Enterprise Class'
Why'd they cut the Computer desiphering the Klingon message? I.K.C. Amar (in that really nasally American accent). Majel didn't do that did she?
I thought I either read or heard it in a documentary that it was cut because Wise (most likely) didnt want it to look like we were "spying" on the Klingons...just that we were "observing" the Klingons.
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Why'd they cut the Computer desiphering the Klingon message? I.K.C. Amar (in that really nasally American accent). Majel didn't do that did she?
I suspect it was cut as part of the general tightening, and that what the Klingons were saying wasn't that important, as we could tell what was going on from the scenes we just saw.
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim: Mr. Probert is a personal acquaintance of his. They became friends while working on a video game project some years ago, IIRC.
Well, actually, I called Rick Sternbach and asked him how to reach Andy, as I thought he'd be perfect for a game project I was working on, but that fell through, but Andy and I kept talking and the rest, as they say, is history.
How I had Rick Sternbach's number is another issue entirely. Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
This may or may not be relavent, but since the Trek forums have been slow with updates and new ideas this week, I thought I would resurrect this:
quote:Originally posted by Snay: IIRC, Colonel West was in Star Trek VI.
In the US military, the rank of Lt. Colonel corrosponds to the rank of Commander, and the rank of Colonel to Captain. This is how Marine ranks translate to their Naval equivilants.
Now, I am unsure how accurate/canon this may be, but I was scouring around the IMDB, and was reading up on some of the 'trivia' for TOS and came across this:
"Gene Roddenberry once hypothesized that the Enterprise carried a platoon of Starfleet Marines, but they never appeared onscreen in the original series. The Starfleet Marines would eventually make an appearance, but not until Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (1991) and Star Trek: Deep Space Nine" (1993)"
Take this as you best see fit, but this does at least suggest, if not, verify that Colonel West was part of Starfleet Marines. I am not sure where the DS9 reference fits into this, unless someone confused this with the Bajoran ranking system....
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
"Nor the Battle to the Strong" - that guy Jake encountered. Was he a Starfleet "Marine"?
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Impossible to tell based on his rank only, as he was a Lieutenant - a rank present both in navy and army terminology.
In other instances, we've seen ground forces led by a Captain (again both an army and a navy rank) and a Commander (navy only). We've never heard of an army-specific rank again after Colonel West, although one would have expected a few Sergeants at least in "Siege of AR-588"...
It could very well be that Starfleet Marines carry naval ranks, and aren't a separate service branch or sub-branch like US Marines.
And while we're speculating, we could just as well claim that West's full rank and name was Rear Admiral Mortimer Cornel-West, and we just misunderstood...
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by o2 (Member # 907) on :
Indeed! In the radio chatter of STTMP, approx. at 7:25, there is the message �USS xxx NCC-1715�! The registry is very clear. But you can hear that piece only on the right front speaker. The name of the ship, on the other hand is, at least for me, not recognizable. But I don�t think that it is the Merrimack, because that particular name is to long for the gab between �USS� and �NCC�.
Does anybody have better ears out there?
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: This may or may not be relavent, but since the Trek forums have been slow with updates and new ideas this week, I thought I would resurrect this:
quote:Originally posted by Snay: IIRC, Colonel West was in Star Trek VI.
In the US military, the rank of Lt. Colonel corrosponds to the rank of Commander, and the rank of Colonel to Captain. This is how Marine ranks translate to their Naval equivilants.
I have and always will suspect that "Colonel" West is a joke...they're playing on Lt. Colonel Oliver North of Iran-Contra infamy, and nothing more. They're both Colonels, and they're both cardinal directions (North and West).
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
quote:Originally posted by o2: Indeed! In the radio chatter of STTMP, approx. at 7:25, there is the message �USS xxx NCC-1715�! The registry is very clear. But you can hear that piece only on the right front speaker. The name of the ship, on the other hand is, at least for me, not recognizable. But I don�t think that it is the Merrimack, because that particular name is to long for the gab between �USS� and �NCC�.
Does anybody have better ears out there?
The names and numbers of the ships mentioned in the comm chatter are all from the Star Fleet Technical Manual. NCC-1715 matches to the Merrimac(k).
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Maybe this helps a little bit.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
Thanks, Spike! That did it. And the Merrimack IS explicitly referenced there. My friends and I were able to decipher the chatter from your MP3 file. Here's what we picked out of the comm noise:
Muffled Voice: "Epsilon IX"
Female Voice: "Epsilon IX, this is long-range shuttle 'Venture'. Please advise USS Merrimack NCC-1715 that we are delaying the mission a few hours due to problems that will be explained upon our arrival."
Male Voice: "Recieved and understood."
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Speaking of Kruge's ship ...
Sulu says the BOP carries a crew of "about" a dozen. Kruge's carries 11, including Kruge himself.
Accounting for the Crew:
1 Klingon. Executed by Kruge for the destruction of Grissom.
2 Klingons. Part of landing party to Genesis Planet. One was incapacitated by Spock, the other was shot (stunned or killed?) by Kirk. Both were left on the planet, so they died when it exploded.
6 Klingons - including Torg. Boarding Party to Enterprise. Killed when self-destruct went off.
1 Klingon - Kruge. Killed on Genesis planet by Kirk.
1 Klingon - Maltz. Captured by Kirk & Co. Kirk is informed Maltz is the only Klingon left on the BoP.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Premonition to a double post
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
You forgot Kruges' dog - "Pookie". Posted by Middy Seafort (Member # 951) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: You forgot Kruges' dog - "Pookie".
I wonder if "pookie" has the same meaning in Klingon that it does in Tagalog. Funny, I didn't think his dog/targ was a female.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by SoundEffect:
Female Voice: "Epsilon IX, this is long-range shuttle 'Venture'. Please advise USS Merrimack NCC-1715 that we are delaying the mission a few hours due to problems that will be explained upon our arrival."
Male Voice: "Recieved and understood."
I wonder what that would have been?
"Well, little Jimmy got space-sick and vomited all over the back of the Venture� And John wouldn't stop at K7 (because of those tribbles and all) and we needed some more multicoloured cubes for dinner and I said that..."
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Middy Seafort:
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: You forgot Kruges' dog - "Pookie".
I wonder if "pookie" has the same meaning in Klingon that it does in Tagalog. Funny, I didn't think his dog/targ was a female.
Damn dude, lighten up....
Posted by Middy Seafort (Member # 951) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy:
quote:Originally posted by Middy Seafort:
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy: You forgot Kruges' dog - "Pookie".
I wonder if "pookie" has the same meaning in Klingon that it does in Tagalog. Funny, I didn't think his dog/targ was a female.
Damn dude, lighten up....
I was being light. It was not intended to be serious. It was a joke.
In Tagalog, the term "Pookie" is slang for female genitalia. It may be vulgar, but the word is seen as being "funny."
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
You certainly have a singular wit, sir.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"Singular" meaning "one". As in, he's the one person who would get the joke, since no-one else knows anything about Tagalog.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
exactly
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
Rolly eyes can encompass entire threads, or parts thereof.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
creating danger!
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Im so inspired by this thread I am considering to go back to school just to learn this fantastic and elusive Tagalog...you know to appreciate the humor of the word 'pookie'. Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Good luck finding a school to teach it. Unless that school is in the Philippines.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
yes good luck.. there ought to be some sort of worldwide information resource, you know.. Posted by Middy Seafort (Member # 951) on :
quote:Originally posted by TSN: Good luck finding a school to teach it. Unless that school is in the Philippines.
It is, in fact, taught at high schools in San Diego, Ca. But this should not be surprising as San Diego has one of the highest population of Filipino's residing in the United States. I doubt, however, that my "singular-wit" use of the word "pookie" would be found in such a class.
At least, consider yourselves a bit more informed about an often thrown around bit of Filipino slang. Humor... such a subjective, thing. If it didn't amuse you, at least it amused me.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Isn't Garfield the cat's teddy bear called "Pookie"?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I reckon it be.....
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
There is a relatively sizable (compared to the population of the surrounding area, at least) Filipino community in the town of Wapato, which was just down the road a bit from where I grew up.
Posted by Middy Seafort (Member # 951) on :
quote:Originally posted by Sol System: There is a relatively sizable (compared to the population of the surrounding area, at least) Filipino community in the town of Wapato, which was just down the road a bit from where I grew up.
Cool beans. I was up in those parts last year.
Posted by Middy Seafort (Member # 951) on :
Be warned... we Filipinos are everywhere... Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Seeing as this thread is already about the ST3 DVD, I wonder if anyone is willing to make some 'caps.
According to the January 2003 Magazine:
quote:...Burman's son even got to play a Deltan in the film. The character makeup looked somewhat like Persis Khambatta in the first movie, but with an egg-shaped appliance head. That same makeup can also be seen briefly in the background on the bridge of the U.S.S. Excelsior.
So apparently, there's a Deltan on the Excy bridge, and somewhere else in the movie as well.
And there are also some photos of barroom scene aliens. One of them looks similar to the alien in the Enterprise crew lineup (during the infamous "Enterprise is 20 years old" speech). Are there any clues as to where the bar is? And if any of those funky aliens could be Federation members?
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
What do you mean by where the bar is? There's the barroom scene where McCoy is trying to get passage to Genesis and that SF security guy comes in.
"Genesis is planet forbidden!!"
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I mean "where" as in on which planet/starbase/station/starship. I haven't seen the movie in a while, so it might be a really obvious question...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I think I remember seeing the Deltan on the Exxy bridge... facing away from the view screen/styles I think. It's in the bit where they all 'strap themselves in'.
Sorry who is Burman?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I don't know.. makup guy IIRC.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
I think the bar was either on Earth itself or on the starbase.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Here is the "Deltan" from the Excelsior bridge (looks way too much like that Arturis from the episode of Voyager who made the Dauntless).
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Perhaps Deltans have the same kind of deformed-skull tradition as the ancient Central Americans (did the Incas do that?).
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Here are all of the identifiable aliens from the STIII bar:
1,2,4 were all coming into the bar as McCoy was. 4 looks like it could be vulcan. 3 was playing that tron-like bi-plane game 5 are obviously tribbles 6 is that idiot alien
there was one other in the background but you really cant tell what it is other than something with what seems to be a blur with big hair etc....
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
The female alien looks to be of the same species as this crewmember.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Number 1 looks like Kryten.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
What says number 4 is an alien at all?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
nothing, i just stuck it in because i wanted to pose all possibilities
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Number 1 Kryten with those Shell Chocolates for ears!!
Seeing as we are talking about the Excelsior Bridge... her picture has JUST been cut out but the officer that stands next to Captain Styles... It's always looked to me like the Same Asian girl on the Bridge of the Grissom. Same coloured uniform etc. Just a really glaring in consistancy. Can anyone post side-by-side pictures??
Andrew
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Re: what says #4 is alien at all...
Who says *any* of these are aliens? Perhaps the kind of people who frequent these kinds of establishments are into wearing weird makeup. Or weird plastic surgery.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, yes, but unfortunately we haven't seen UFP citizens being into such extreme body modification as their technology might allow.
Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
No2: I new Ziggy Stardust had ended up in some timeline!
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Seeing as we are talking about the Excelsior Bridge... her picture has JUST been cut out but the officer that stands next to Captain Styles... It's always looked to me like the Same Asian girl on the Bridge of the Grissom. Same coloured uniform etc. Just a really glaring in consistancy. Can anyone post side-by-side pictures??
Andrew
Yeah, I always thought the same as well, but now Im not too sure what to think outside of this being a mistake of "stereotyping".
Also, Im not sure if I read this before but I thought I would just reiterate some notes I took from the commentary on the movie:
- Burman Studios (mentioned a page or so back) were responsible for making the aliens, they were also responsible for making aliens in some other more popular movies...of which the Adventures of Buckaroo Bonzi is the only one that comes to mind.
- Okuda notes that the Klingon Bird-of-Prey is 360ft long (110m). The Excelsior is 1531ft (old news, I know) and that Spacedock is roughly 3 miles tall.
[ April 02, 2003, 05:30 PM: Message edited by: Futurama Guy ]
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
"Yeah, I always thought the same as well, but now Im not too sure what to think outside of this being a mistake of "stereotyping"."
No way - they look a lot the same.
OK Same uniform stands out to begin with. Both Asian Women of roughly the same age.
Both have similar hair styles (scuse the pun)
Both have similar chin shapes
Similar eyebrows and complexion.
They are very similar looking people.
I like the expression of the chick on the Grissom when they mention Spock's burial tube/robe! Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Actually one other note from the Okuda commentary...
They mentioned that the despite the Enterprise being considered "old" at 20 years that in reality NASA didnt share the same concerns because the Columbia was first launched in 1981 and yet it was still going strong.
...little did they know that only a few months later that comment would look really ackward.
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Never mind the fact that even from the get-go, Columbia's age wasn't considered a factor...
--Jonah
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Thats not what I was getting at, I was referring to the "still going strong" part...
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
...and shame on you for resurrecting a dead link... :-p
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
Sorry. I've been sans Internet for over two months. Trying to catch up.
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