UPDATE: It was noted in Nemesis that Picard had made 27 first contacts (certainly not a spoiler as it had nothing to do with the course of the movie) as well as a brief exploration of it in his Duty Record string...I thought it would be interesting to explore what these species were from what we have seen in TNG.
Here is all of the First Contacts we viewed in TNG either by Picard and or someone under his command, I'm basing this on things they communicated with. ( indicates questionable encounters ) SEASON ONE 1 Encounter at Farpoint, Part I: Q 2 Encounter at Farpoint, Part II: Farpoint Jellyfish 3 The Last Outpost: Ferengi 4 Justice: The Edo God 5 Datalore: Crystalline Entity 6 When the Bough Breaks: Aldeans 7 Home Soil: microscopic inorganic lifeforms 8-9 Symbiosis: Brekkans & Ornarans 10 Skin of Evil: Armus (Troi) SEASON TWO 11 The Child: 'the child' energy creature (Troi) 12 Where Silence Has Lease: Nagilum 13 Pen Pals: Dremans (Data) 14 Q Who?: Borg SEASON THREE 15 Evolution: Weasleys [sic] evolved nanites 16 The Bonding: Marla Asters "ghost" (Jeremy Aster) 17 Allegence: The species responsible for creating the 'imposter' Picard. 18 Tin Man: Gomtuu (Tam Elbrum/Data) 19a&b Transfigurations: Zalkonians (the original and extra crispy) SEASON FOUR 20 Future Imperfect: Barash (Riker) -- Clues: Paxans (Data; unofficially) 21 First Contact: Malcorians (Riker) 22 Galaxy's Child: huge parasitic eel 23 Nth Degree: Cytherians SEASON FIVE 24-25 Conundrum: Satarrans & Lysians 26 Imaginary Friend: "Isabella" (Clara Sutter) 27The Inner Light: Kataans SEASON SIX 28 Schisms: Antimatter-aliens (Riker) 29 The Quality of Life: exocomps (Data) SEASON SEVEN none that stick out
Okay, granted this isn't complete, and perhaps not a true first contact situation, but I am sure the name "Picard" in mentioned somewhere in the footnotes of whatever xenology text these aliens would be indentified in.
[ February 16, 2003, 04:43 PM: Message edited by: Futurama Guy ]
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's your. . . point?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Hey numbnuts, if you actually payed attention to some of the posts, you would realize that in the Picards career post there is an aweful lot of debate regarding his diplomacy and first contacts enough to throw that thread off tilt enough to need to form a separate idea just for that.
Your sacastic and sardonic comments are not appreciated.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
What about the new lifeform in TNG Emergence?
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poet: Look! Up in the sky! It's a bird! It's a plane! No, it's your. . . point?
Do you even try to be passive in trolling?
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
So tell me then, Twatfeatures Girl, why not post this in whatever tedious thread your anal-retentive little subject was in? Better still, why not just do what all self-important newbie dorks round here eventually do, and fuck off back to whatever malodorous little shithole spawned you?
And, I'll say it again, as we so often have (maybe you'll get the message one day): shut up, Wesley!
Posted by Dr. Jonas Bashir (Member # 481) on :
I'm hearing Charlie Boy's boots out there, coming into the thread, don't you, Vogon...?
So, this means the Enterprise barely encountered any humanoid species? They are all energy entities, which seem to be dime a dozen in the Alpha Quadrant. "Boldly going where everyone went before", indeed.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
When I get back from class in three hours, I'd better not have to lock this thread...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
The Last Outpost: The T'Kon guard? Angel One: The inhabitants of Angel One? Conspiracy: The conspiracy aliens? Cause before hand they were just taking over people - there was no human - alien talking. Elementary, Dear Data: Sentiant Holograms The Outrageous Okuna?? The Dauphin: Both Anya and the girl. The Royale aliens (except for Colonel Richey?) Samaritan Snare: The Pakleds The Survivors: The Husnok (sorta) The Dowd Who Watches the Watchers: The Mintakins (by mistake) Deja Q: The Calormaraine (Q gives the name) Allegience: The Aliens who doubled as Picard etc. Captain's Holiday: Vorgons The Loss: 2D creatures - Troi. Devil's Due - The Ventaxians? Night Terrors - those telepathic aliens Troi contacts. Darmok - first comprehended conversation Time's Arrow - the Aliens that are steeling 19th century human energy. Aquiel - the life-form that mimics what it touches Frame of Mind - the aliens that kidnap Riker Timescape - the aliens who live in the Romulan Warp Core's artificial singularity. Liasons - the Aliens who visit the Enterprise, and with whom Picard ends up crashed with. Interface - the Aliens that pose as Geordie's mother. Attached - the Pritt Thine Own Self - the Aliens Data lives with. Emergence - a lifeform evolved from the ship's computer.
And just something about NEMESIS - from epguides.com
Michelle Forbes was at the Wedding?? Ro Laren!?!?! Did anyone see her? And Leah Brahms??
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: [QB] Angel One: The inhabitants of Angel One?
Nope. Angel One was planet which ceded from the Federation.
quote: Elementary, Dear Data: Sentiant Holograms
One sentient hologram would hardly qualify as 'civilisation'
quote: The Dauphin: Both Anya and the girl.
I don't think so. "Greeting, we're new aliens and by the way, we would like you to ferry us to our planet."
quote: The Royale aliens (except for Colonel Richey?)
What aliens? Enterprise crew encountered only some kind of alien holodeck, not the actual aliens.
quote: Samaritan Snare: The Pakleds
I had the impression that the Pakleds were known to Federation. At least to the other civilisations whose equipment Pakleds had on board.
quote: Devil's Due - The Ventaxians?
No. The Enterprise arrived at Ventax III to retrieve a Federation anthropological team.
quote: Darmok - first comprehended conversation.
But not first contact.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poet: So tell me then, Twatfeatures Girl, why not post this in whatever tedious thread your anal-retentive little subject was in?
Ooo ouch burn...haha...yeah, you know, its funny, because it is and it is right here in: GENERAL TREK....Duty record of Jean-Luc Picard, I'm sure being the old salty dog on campus yourself would have read it four times by now.
So, suddenly my "tedious...anal-retentive little subject...thread" IS in the same subject, and is not so...irrelavent. I suggest reading it and then proceed to stand up and pull that stick out of your ass with whatever bug crawled up there with it. I am certainly not out of line posting this any less then you are being a pompus ass.
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poet: Better still, why not just do what all self-important newbie dorks round here eventually do, and fuck off back to whatever malodorous little shithole spawned you?
Ahh yes, the renouned charm of an Englishman. Im sorry, this too is completely irrelavent as well.
Again, your sacastic and sardonic comments are not appreciated.
[ February 14, 2003, 10:55 AM: Message edited by: Futurama Guy ]
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote: The Last Outpost: The T'Kon guard?
Im not really sure that applies because it was the end of a civilization that they were aware of previously.
quote: Angel One: The inhabitants of Angel One?
No, when they made contact they said they wished to renew their whatever...it wasnt a first contact, nor were they part of the federation, i think it was mentioned that they were contacted...like 80 years ago of some crap like that.
quote: The Outrageous Okuna??
No, picard was aware of both species and that they settled there like 200 years prior...
quote: Who Watches the Watchers: The Mintakins (by mistake)
uhh...maybe, even though they had been spying on them for quite some time...you could say the same thing about the Ba'ku then as well.
quote: Aquiel - the life-form that mimics what it touches
Im not sure that applies...they didnt really talk to it, they if at best "discovered" it.
quote: Frame of Mind - the aliens that kidnap Riker
no, i believe that starfleet was aware of them, becuase it was those aliens who trying to sift info out of riker on starfleet
quote: Liasons - the Aliens who visit the Enterprise, and with whom Picard ends up crashed with.
I think that was classified as a cultural exchange...possibly following a previously made first contact.
quote: Attached - the Pritt
no, the Kes-pritt were attempting to apply for federation membership.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
quote: Your sacastic and sardonic comments are not appreciated.
While this thread is filled with a healthy amount of uselessness from all sides, this statement is untrue.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Lee and Futurama Guy, quit it. Take your comments elsewhere.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
What? What did I do? I mean really think about it here for a minute...a thread regarding Picards first contacts seems more relavent then dicussing his first contacts in a thread about his duty record. If you dont like it dont read it, either way I dont think it is necessary to be slamming on me just for the pure satifaction of slamming on someone.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
What? What did I do? I mean really think about it here for a minute...a thread regarding Picards first contacts seems more relavent then dicussing his first contacts in a thread about his duty record. If you dont like it dont read it, either way I dont think it is necessary to be slamming on me just for the pure satifaction of slamming on someone.
Posted by SoundEffect (Member # 926) on :
This is a Star Trek topic in the Trek forum. I for one got something out of the information presented here. Thanks for bringing it up, Futurama Guy!
Taking the time to post something negative seems an awful waste of time.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Your responses to Lee is what you did. Don't do it again. If you take offront to something someone posts in response to you, don't return in like kind. Be polite about it, and/or take it elsewhere.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
well that was completely one sided
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kazeite:
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: [QB] Angel One: The inhabitants of Angel One?
Nope. Angel One was planet which ceded from the Federation.
--->Really? Interesting.
quote: Elementary, Dear Data: Sentiant Holograms
One sentient hologram would hardly qualify as 'civilisation'
--->New Life though. Remember "new life and new civilisations"
quote: The Dauphin: Both Anya and the girl.
I don't think so. "Greeting, we're new aliens and by the way, we would like you to ferry us to our planet."
--->Why not? Voyager did similar things. No one knew anything about the nature of the girl or her protector.
quote: The Royale aliens (except for Colonel Richey?)
What aliens? Enterprise crew encountered only some kind of alien holodeck, not the actual aliens.
--->No they were aliens. And they tried to make Richey's life more comfortable by creating that Royale world.
quote:
Samaritan Snare: The Pakleds
I had the impression that the Pakleds were known to Federation. At least to the other civilisations whose equipment Pakleds had on board.
--->Nope. First contact with the Federation - plus one would assume they stole or tricked that tech from others like the Jarada and the Romulans - not two races that would be up to giving away tech.
quote: Darmok - first comprehended conversation.
But not first contact.
--->But you need to be able to communicate with each other to make First Contact. Otherwise it falls into the category of some passing by alien ship but doesn't make contact.
The Silicon Entity I reckon First Contact was made in "The Silicon Avatar" however brief. Although didn't Lore communicate with it?
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy:
quote: The Last Outpost: The T'Kon guard?
Im not really sure that applies because it was the end of a civilization that they were aware of previously.
---> Aware of but had never 'met'.
quote: Who Watches the Watchers: The Mintakins (by mistake)
uhh...maybe, even though they had been spying on them for quite some time...you could say the same thing about the Ba'ku then as well.
--->Why not?
quote: Aquiel - the life-form that mimics what it touches
Im not sure that applies...they didnt really talk to it, they if at best "discovered" it.
--->Was it senient?
quote: Attached - the Pritt
No, the Kes-pritt were attempting to apply for Federation membership.
--->Aaah, but they had only met with the Kes, never the xenophobic Pritt.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote: Attached - the Pritt
no, the Kes-pritt were attempting to apply for federation membership. [/qb][/QUOTE]Ahhh but they had only met with the Kes, never the xenophobic Pritt. [/QB][/QUOTE]
I thought was the impression they were the same race, and only different as far as political entities. The rest of your justifications are somewhat vague.
Posted by OnToMars (Member # 621) on :
quote: well that was completely one sided
Really. The idea that someone should without provocation flame somebody else for creating a thread delving into ANY certain aspect of Trek minutia, be it starships or duty records is absurd. Hey, look! A new guy! By assumption he must be a complete fucking retard incapable of thought and therefore not deserving any of the respects traditionally afforded to intelligent people by like intelligent people. Let's flame him without consideration, but it's okay because he's new and I'm experienced and I'm clever and witty and he's stupid.
I'm sorry, Topher. But if you're gonna yell at Futurama Guy, the least you could do is yell at Lee beforehand. Or simoultaenously. Or at all.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
For one thing, I did not yell. THIS IS YELLING. *ahem*
I warned both Lee and Futurama Guy to stop behaving in such a manner as they did. Futurama Guy asked what he did, and I told him. Lee certainly went out of line insulting Futurama Guy as he did. But, Futurama Guy went out of line also by replying as he did.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Elementary, Dear Data: Sentiant Holograms (...) --->New Life though. Remember "new life and new civilisations"
But this is Federation hologram. When dr Zimmerman made EMH it was a FC situation, too?
quote: The Dauphin: Both Anya and the girl. (...)
--->Why not? Voyager did similar things. No one knew anything about the nature of the girl or her protector.
But this is TNG, not VOY Oh sure, they didn't know that those aliens were shapeshifters, but it doesn't prove that this was the FC with them.
quote: The Royale aliens (except for Colonel Richey?) (...) --->No they were aliens. And they tried to make Richey's life more comfortable by creating that Royale world.
No they weren't aliens. They were holograms created by those aliens. No meeting with those creator-aliens took place.
quote: Darmok - first comprehended conversation. (...) But you need to be able to communicate with each other to make First Contact. Otherwise it falls into the category of some passing by alien ship but doesn't make contact.
No, it falls under 'succesfull understanding' category. When FC occured they were able to communicate, but unable to understand each other.
quote: The Silicon Entity I reckon First Contact was made in "The Silicon Avatar" however brief. Although didn't Lore communicate with it?
Yes, he did. Either way Enterprise crew did not made FC with Entity.
Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
quote:5 The Big Goodbye: Jarada
No. Remember all the references to the "disasterous first contact" that happened a number of years before?
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
well that was completely one sided
The idea that the person who starts a fight is, in fact, responsible for it is rather lost on the administration here. You just have to get used to it, and pray that whatever kids they have get along perfectly.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Topher: For one thing, I did not yell. THIS IS YELLING. *ahem*
I warned both Lee and Futurama Guy to stop behaving in such a manner as they did. Futurama Guy asked what he did, and I told him. Lee certainly went out of line insulting Futurama Guy as he did. But, Futurama Guy went out of line also by replying as he did.
Thanks, mom for clearing that up for us. I am sure glad that I am free to make posts on here AS THIS SITE IS INTEDEND FOR, as it is called a ::ahem:: "Forum", in a relavent manner, as I again, did.
He had NO right to give me shit in a less than tactful manner as he did, and I defended myself in a much more polite way then I was attacked. I may be "new" to this site, but I know just as much as anyone else here does about trek, and at that, I have been watching it for a good 10-15 years, so aside from being a "newbie" to this site, no one here really has any right to think they know more or are better than me, and treat me as my posts or questions are stupid and irrelavent, because I have certainly spent plenty of time reading somr pretty....uh,yeah....bad posts from the past.
Anyone whoever isnt a moderator yet feels the need that should take the liberty to be "running this place" should be running it fairly by making people feel welcome to submit their ideas as what this whole site is about, otherwise I dont appreciate being lectured by some kid who was like 6 years old when I started watching Trek. My post was relavent, my responce to his attack was relavent, and I really see that I did nothing wrong whatsoever.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Did I ever say that Lee was in the right? No. Lee was quite wrong in what he did. But he has yet to post again in this thread, so I obviously can't respond to any outcries he makes. Flaming on Flare is for the Flameboard, not for General Trek. I do not condone the actions of Lee or Futurama Guy. So can we please get back to the discussion? If you have something else to say to me, Futurama Guy, send me a PM.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
Quit picking on the newbies, dude. It's hardly becoming. Posted by Snay (Member # 411) on :
It is, however, still good to pick on board vets.
Right Might Monkey "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope: The DVD extended super special edition" Mim? Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
As you will. Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Snay:
quote:5 The Big Goodbye: Jarada
No. Remember all the references to the "disasterous first contact" that happened a number of years before?
True, though I suppose that on the same note, counting this and his successful Tamarian encounter as the first successful contact with those species has to count just as important as a first contact, if not, more.
The Dauphin: Both Anya and Salia. That wasn't a first contact from the impression I got from recently watching the episode. True, they didnt know that they were shapeshifters, but they did know a lot which would seem to indicate that already had previous contact with these people. Also, regarding "they did it on Voyager"...Janeway was in all relavence (except the actual direct meaning of the word) a whore; in terms of doing anything for anyone if she knew that it would help out her ship and get her home faster. Perhaps a nicer word for that is "opportunist", but I still say she was the former as well. Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
Everyone has to learn the ropes somehow. We were all newbies once, just remember that.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Are you all going to stop talking about flaming each other now, or am I just going to have to force the issue?
And don't explicitly answer that. Just stop.
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
quote:Originally posted by Vogon Poet: So tell me then, Twatfeatures Girl, why not post this in whatever tedious thread your anal-retentive little subject was in? Better still, why not just do what all self-important newbie dorks round here eventually do, and fuck off back to whatever malodorous little shithole spawned you?
And, I'll say it again, as we so often have (maybe you'll get the message one day): shut up, Wesley!
No, seriously, he made an effort to compile this list and you come in saying "your point?". Just sounded rude to me.
I appologize if pointing it out upset you. I'll try to express my opinion on the behaviour of my fellow Flare members more politely in the future. Thanks for being mature about it. I know some people whould resort to name calling and telling me to shutup if I made such a comment.
Anyway, back on subject: What about trek movies? Do the Baku count? It was sortof a half-first contact.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
$ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ I wonder about the Remans...I know "Nemesis" kinda took the Romulan aspect into new realms, but I wonder if or when first contact was ever made with the Remans in the same matter. I mean I know Starfleet has its intellegence about them and Shinzon (probably from Koval from DS9, maybe??), but I wonder if they ever fought side by side with Remans or if the Remans were used just to protect Romulan space?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
K, I updated the introduction to this post to make EVERYONE here happy Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
quote:Originally posted by Futurama Guy:
quote: Attached - the Pritt
no, the Kes-pritt were attempting to apply for federation membership.
quote:Ahhh but they had only met with the Kes, never the xenophobic Pritt.
I thought was the impression they were the same race, and only different as far as political entities. The rest of your justifications are somewhat vague.
Vague - this whole thing is vague - the answers are all going to be vague.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
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I was thinking, the race that the Enterprise crew meets on the surface of that planet that has B4 on it... were pre-industrial or something - at least non-warp.
1. Would that be a sorta first contact 2. Everyone complains about the 'dune-buggies' I would assume they HAD to use such tecnology - cause they had to use it on a place with Similar tech. Wheels not antigrav etc.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I think its a first contact with a spieces, but not a "diplomatic" first contact
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
*continued Nemesis Spoilers*
Where'd you get the idea that they were non-warp? I see no indication in the film either way.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:
INT. ENTERPRISE BRIDGE
Kolarus III is on the viewscreen, the ion storm raging beyond it.
GEORDI I read six distinct positronic signatures, spread out over a few kilometers on the surface.
PICARD What do we know about the population?
DATA Isolated pockets of humanoids. It appears to be a pre-warp civilization at an early stage of industrial development.
GEORDI Captain, I don't recommend transporting, that ion storm doesn't look very neighborly. It could head this way without much warning .
-MMoM Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
and if posting the actual script doesnt constitute spoilers, then what does?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
...perhaps linking it to a website with a pirated copy of the movie might qualify. $ $ $ Wasn't the tank they had an old post-WWII Sherman or something?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well that's it: you've totally fucked the movie for me. Thanks MMOM $ $ $ $ $ Good thing I already knew Riker dies at the end....
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
.. along with half the audience.
Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :
quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike: and if posting the actual script doesnt constitute spoilers, then what does?
The small excerpt I quoted has, essentially, ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT on any dramatic element or "surprise" in the film. It's not a bloody spoiler.
Besides, the conversation had already turned in a spoiler-esque direction in the three post *above* mine.
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