Appologies if this has been covered before, can't find it anywhere.
When did the war start between the Federation and the Cardassians - when O'Brien served aboard the USS Rutledge?
Oh, and when did the UFP first meet the Cardassians?
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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
Don't know when it started, but the Setlik III massacre was in 2363 IIRC.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
....or try more like 2347....
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
IIRC it was mentioned in "Tribunal" that Raymond Boone left Starfleet 7 or 8 years ago and that it was shortly after the Setlik III massacre.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
It must have ended less than ten tears prior to TNG's premiere. I imagine it could not have lasted more than a couple of years from start to finish and likely did not involve the entire fleet like the Dominion war did.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
I always thought they were the "Cardassian Wars" (plural). It sounded to me like a series of border disputes, nothing on the scale of the Dominion War. Let's remember, the Federation also fought a war with the Tzenkethi during TNG's run, and we NEVER heard about it when it was going on, so I doubt the Federation had to commit much effort to it.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
As far as first contact goes, there was a rather unusual reference in DS9 that suggested the Cardassians and the Vulcans have some history with eachother.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I wouldn't call it unusual. Someone somewhere noted that a Cardassian...poet, I think, took political asylum on Vulcan in the 22nd century.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
Iloja of Prim. A Dax knew him.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
The Star Trek Chronology has the date of Cetlik III as being 2347. There is some confusion about this in later episodes since apparantly the DS9 writers failed to keep track of the already espablished dates.
Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
so... it wouldn't be outragous to have Cardasians on ENTERPRISE.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by TheWoozle: so... it wouldn't be outragous to have Cardasians on ENTERPRISE.
I wouldn't say so, no.
In fact it might be interesting to see them as the enlightened an cultured people that they supposedly were before the military took power.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I seem to recall, mainly from "Chain of Command," that the Cardassian military dictatorship and the policy of aggressive expansion and occupation was a relatively new thing. Although Dukat once commented that the Central Command/Obsidian Order system had worked for "500 years," the Cardassians' campaigns of aggression didn't start until after Gul Madred was a good way through his childhood (assuming you believe his story, and I see no reason for him to lie on that matter).
We've got no reason to think that Cardassians have an extraordinarily unusual life-span (unlike, say, Vulcans), so it seems reasonable to assume that the Cardassian aggression was only started in the last 40 to 60 years.
Heck, actually, considering the close proximity of Bajor to Cardassia Prime (according to most semi-canon maps, anyway), it kinda makes sense -- Bajor could have been one of the first planets to suffer the effects of the new Cardassian war machine when the Occupation began sometime around 2329 (or 2309, depending).
Posted by Peregrinus (Member # 504) on :
There was also Picard's comment in "The Wounded" to the effect that the last time he was in that sector, he was commanding the Stargazer and running flat out form a Cardassian warship...
--Jonah
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Plus the final settlement of border treaties was in 2369.
Janeway was battling Cardassians as an Ensign.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: The Star Trek Chronology has the date of Cetlik III as being 2347. There is some confusion about this in later episodes since apparantly the DS9 writers failed to keep track of the already espablished dates.
With some of the questionable writing about O'Briens backstory in "Tribunal" set aside, the math for '2347' is based on:
"Realm of Fear" - O'Brien states that he had been operating transporters for 22 years (2347-2369).
"Paradise" - O'Brien states that he saved 13 men by getting a field transporter operational in less than 10 minutes with no prior knowledge...which would seem to coincide with the beginning of 'year 1' of his 22 year career working with transporters. IIRC, too, this got him a promotion to tactical officer on the Rutledge.
[ May 28, 2003, 01:46 PM: Message edited by: Futurama Guy ]
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
One has to remember, though, that Setlik III probably wasn't directly related to the eventual war. "The Wounded" described it more as an "incident" for which the Cardassians offered an apology/excuse. O'Brien did say he fought in the "Border Wars", but there was no clear connection between that remark and the story of Setlik III.
I'll have to rewatch "Tribunal" once again, but I thought nothing about Boone established his departure from Starfleet and estrangement from his family as having happened "shortly after Setlik". Rather, it happened shortly after the Cardassians released him from their Camp X-Ray - meaning it could have taken place days after the incident, or decades after it! The character appeared just old enough to have been present in a 2347 incident.
Picard's reputed olive branch mission should have taken place in 2354 or before, to allow him to ride the Stargazer. The mission IMHO should have been closer to the beginning of the fight than to the end, as it appears the Feds were being magnanimous but not victorious at the time. A "Now, now, fighting us would be a bad idea" mission, as opposed to a "Now you realize fighting us was a bad idea" one.
All in all, the DS9 TM suggestions of a late 2350s timeframe for the hot part of the war appear logical. The Cardassians would have had their hands full with the Betreka conflict with the Klingons until 20 years prior to "WotW", if that's what Bashir's line about 20 years of peace meant. And I can't see the Union fighting a two-front war.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Plus the final settlement of border treaties was in 2369.
Janeway was battling Cardassians as an Ensign.
Janeway graduated from the Academy in about 2358 (she was born c. 2336, and would have graduated at about the age of 22), and so would have been an Ensign in the very late 2350s.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
So we narrowed it down to the late 2350's then?
Posted by Phoenix (Member # 966) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: So we narrowed it down to the late 2350's then?
It seems like it. It looks like it started in early-mid 50s, was at its height in the late 50s, and probably ended either before the 60s or very early in them.
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