I'm sure everyone remembers that offhand reference to a Captain Shelby in DS9's "You Are Cordially Invited...".
I'm acting on memory here, but I could've sworn that there was some interview in which Ron Moore specifically stated that the Shelby mentioned there was supposed to be the same character from "The Best of Both Worlds."
I've already tried multiple Google-ings, I've already tried Flare search, but I can't find anything. Does anyone else remember this tidbit, and can they point me to a good reference for it? Or is it just a figment of my imagination?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
No reference that I can remember... I can only remember the vague argument someone had with them trying to discount it as *the* Shelby, so the NF novels could continue. In fact, wasn't there a referenc in a novel where Shelby was going on about how this captain of a big starship WASN'T her?
Mark
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I always assumed it was the same person, but I have no evidence either way.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Actually, didn't it go the other way? Moore saying something about how he/they were aware of those books and meant to shy away from name-dropping Shelby, but did anyway? Or something?
Personally, considering what Shelby's strengths were described as in "Best of Both Worlds," I'd think she'd be better suited coming up with strategies rather than commanding a ship, but, OK.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: No reference that I can remember... I can only remember the vague argument someone had with them trying to discount it as *the* Shelby, so the NF novels could continue. In fact, wasn't there a referenc in a novel where Shelby was going on about how this captain of a big starship WASN'T her?
Mark
One of the NF novels has Commander Shelby lamenting that she read a promotion report and thought she's been made captain but was somehow not informed...only to discover that there's another "Shelby" out there that made captain before she did.
Have I mentioned lately how bad the New Frontier books have become?
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: I'm sure everyone remembers that offhand reference to a Captain Shelby in DS9's "You Are Cordially Invited...".
I'm acting on memory here, but I could've sworn that there was some interview in which Ron Moore specifically stated that the Shelby mentioned there was supposed to be the same character from "The Best of Both Worlds."
I've already tried multiple Google-ings, I've already tried Flare search, but I can't find anything. Does anyone else remember this tidbit, and can they point me to a good reference for it? Or is it just a figment of my imagination?
It's from an interview with Moore over at Trekweb. Here's the question and answer:
Did we ever get an answer to the Capt. Shelby question? [Was the Capt. Shelby mentioned in "You are Cordially Invited..." the same Shelby from "Best of Both Worlds"?]
Well.... my intent when I wrote the line was that this was indeed the same Shelby from BOBW. I thought it was a cool reference to throw in for the fans, but I had completely forgotten that John Ordover & Co. had very specifically and very politely asked us if we had any intention of ever using this character again and we (including me) had said, "No way -- do what you want with her." This very salient fact was pointed out to me after the show had aired and I had a rather sheepish conversation with Paula Block over in licensing and with John via e-mail explaining what had happened. Since I only used Shelby's last name in the episode, you're free to look at this either way -- it's really her or it's someone else with the same last name (it's a big fleet, after all).
Moore also referenced the Ambassador Class USS Excalibur as a vessel where at least some of the crew were assimilated by the Borg in VOY "Survival Instinct".
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Bond, you're my hero! Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
How did I know that the books weren't taken into consideration during the writing of the episode?
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Because Shelby was not a captain in the books untill years later and the books have never shown an encounter with the Borg (though, that might have happened to the previous crew).
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
No problem MM.
I'd just count it as the BoBW Shelby, New Frontier blows anyway.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
As would I, for the same reason. I always found it laughable that someone like Shelby would STILL be stuck as a first officer on some older ship, seven or eight years after BoBW? I would much rather remember s the captain of a spiffy new Nebula-class starship, kicking Borg tail.
Mark
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:and the books have never shown an encounter with the Borg
One short story in the New Frontier anthology "No Limits" dealt with the Borg encounter. The Excalibur was present during the "First Contact"-battle and the ship's CO, Captain Korsmo, was killed during that attack. There are a few references to that incident in the other books.
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
At least it's better than saying she survived Wolf 359.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Spike:
quote:and the books have never shown an encounter with the Borg
One short story in the New Frontier anthology "No Limits" dealt with the Borg encounter. The Excalibur was present during the "First Contact"-battle and the ship's CO, Captain Korsmo, was killed during that attack. There are a few references to that incident in the other books.
Ug...the same sorry "Captain Korsmo" that Peter David wrote as being so jealous of his academy rival Picard that he fired on Enterprise D when Riker refused his order to make a suicide run at the Borg (in the book Vendetta). That was Korsmo in an Excelsior class. So, after firing on the Enterprise and getting his own ship destroyed foolishly, he got command of an even larger, more powerful starship...
Really, someone should take Peter david off Trek forever.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: As would I, for the same reason. I always found it laughable that someone like Shelby would STILL be stuck as a first officer on some older ship, seven or eight years after BoBW? I would much rather remember s the captain of a spiffy new Nebula-class starship, kicking Borg tail.
Agreed. Somehow I just can't picture her giving up all that ambition she had in BoBW to settle for being an XO for nearly another decade.
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Really, someone should take Peter david off Trek forever.
He's the worst. New Frontier had some interesting characters and a decent enough premise, but the first book actually ended with a planet being an egg for "The Great Bird of the Galaxy". I mean, that was just cringeworthy.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
I thought Vendetta was a very good read. Elements of it make me think of what the Borg should have been.
If anyone shouldn't be alowed to write Trek, its Shatner
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:I mean, that was just cringeworthy.
No, that was hilarious. I love "New Frontier" for stuff like that. It doesn't take itself too serious and you never know what crazy thing happens next.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
^^^ Hermaphroditic sex happens next.
Vendetta was alright. I liked the premise with the Planet Killer and the descriptions of the Borg, but like Jason says some of the characterization was out there.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
"Vendetta"
I was young and impressionable when I read that...it was also one of the few Trek novels I have ever read. I liked it then, but again that was before I saw my first naked chick. So its probably pretty gay now.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"If anyone shouldn't be alowed to write Trek, its Shatner"
Well, that's okay, since he doesn't, really...
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
No, just Kirk triumphant return from the grave... twice
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by Bond, James Bond: ^^^ Hermaphroditic sex happens next.
Vendetta was alright. I liked the premise with the Planet Killer and the descriptions of the Borg, but like Jason says some of the characterization was out there.
Oddly, his depiction of the Borg in that book is one of the very best I've ever read and the Planetkiller is really cool as well but...that's really where the good parts stop.
About the end of chapter two, I belive.
As bad as Peter David has become, John Vornholt is far far worse: everything he writes involves multiple books and Picard saving the whole fucking galaxy. That whole "Genesis Wave" series was abyssimal.
Ug.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
"No, just Kirk triumphant return from the grave... twice"
No, I mean, Shatner didn't write them.
Posted by Ultra Klackrent Zlatan Magnus (Member # 239) on :
I will pretend to be shocked at the notion that Star Trek novels are terrible.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Well, the DS9 re-launch was incredibly GOOD.
Really, go pick those up: a lot of intresting new characters added to the cast and (thankfully) they did'nt even mention Worf once!.
Gotta love it.
Posted by Bond, James Bond (Member # 1127) on :
Most of the "Lost Era" books were pretty decent as well. "The Art of the Impossible" being the best IMO.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
That's because Keith DeCandido is tha shit, yo.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Word.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Come on, Lee, just 'cause he's having computer problems doesn't mean you have to rub it in.
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
So is Commander Shelby's canon name Elizabeth or did they just decided to use the actress' real name for the Trek Encyclopedia?
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
I guess they just decided to use her real name. I can't find any evidence to suggest otherwise.
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That's because Keith DeCandido is tha shit, yo.