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I'm sure everyone remembers that offhand reference to a Captain Shelby in DS9's "You Are Cordially Invited...".
I'm acting on memory here, but I could've sworn that there was some interview in which Ron Moore specifically stated that the Shelby mentioned there was supposed to be the same character from "The Best of Both Worlds."
I've already tried multiple Google-ings, I've already tried Flare search, but I can't find anything. Does anyone else remember this tidbit, and can they point me to a good reference for it? Or is it just a figment of my imagination?
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No reference that I can remember... I can only remember the vague argument someone had with them trying to discount it as *the* Shelby, so the NF novels could continue. In fact, wasn't there a referenc in a novel where Shelby was going on about how this captain of a big starship WASN'T her?
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Actually, didn't it go the other way? Moore saying something about how he/they were aware of those books and meant to shy away from name-dropping Shelby, but did anyway? Or something?
Personally, considering what Shelby's strengths were described as in "Best of Both Worlds," I'd think she'd be better suited coming up with strategies rather than commanding a ship, but, OK.
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quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: No reference that I can remember... I can only remember the vague argument someone had with them trying to discount it as *the* Shelby, so the NF novels could continue. In fact, wasn't there a referenc in a novel where Shelby was going on about how this captain of a big starship WASN'T her?
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One of the NF novels has Commander Shelby lamenting that she read a promotion report and thought she's been made captain but was somehow not informed...only to discover that there's another "Shelby" out there that made captain before she did.
Have I mentioned lately how bad the New Frontier books have become?
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quote:Originally posted by MinutiaeMan: I'm sure everyone remembers that offhand reference to a Captain Shelby in DS9's "You Are Cordially Invited...".
I'm acting on memory here, but I could've sworn that there was some interview in which Ron Moore specifically stated that the Shelby mentioned there was supposed to be the same character from "The Best of Both Worlds."
I've already tried multiple Google-ings, I've already tried Flare search, but I can't find anything. Does anyone else remember this tidbit, and can they point me to a good reference for it? Or is it just a figment of my imagination?
It's from an interview with Moore over at Trekweb. Here's the question and answer:
Did we ever get an answer to the Capt. Shelby question? [Was the Capt. Shelby mentioned in "You are Cordially Invited..." the same Shelby from "Best of Both Worlds"?]
Well.... my intent when I wrote the line was that this was indeed the same Shelby from BOBW. I thought it was a cool reference to throw in for the fans, but I had completely forgotten that John Ordover & Co. had very specifically and very politely asked us if we had any intention of ever using this character again and we (including me) had said, "No way -- do what you want with her." This very salient fact was pointed out to me after the show had aired and I had a rather sheepish conversation with Paula Block over in licensing and with John via e-mail explaining what had happened. Since I only used Shelby's last name in the episode, you're free to look at this either way -- it's really her or it's someone else with the same last name (it's a big fleet, after all).
Moore also referenced the Ambassador Class USS Excalibur as a vessel where at least some of the crew were assimilated by the Borg in VOY "Survival Instinct".
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Because Shelby was not a captain in the books untill years later and the books have never shown an encounter with the Borg (though, that might have happened to the previous crew).
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I'd just count it as the BoBW Shelby, New Frontier blows anyway.
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As would I, for the same reason. I always found it laughable that someone like Shelby would STILL be stuck as a first officer on some older ship, seven or eight years after BoBW? I would much rather remember s the captain of a spiffy new Nebula-class starship, kicking Borg tail.
quote:and the books have never shown an encounter with the Borg
One short story in the New Frontier anthology "No Limits" dealt with the Borg encounter. The Excalibur was present during the "First Contact"-battle and the ship's CO, Captain Korsmo, was killed during that attack. There are a few references to that incident in the other books.
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quote:and the books have never shown an encounter with the Borg
One short story in the New Frontier anthology "No Limits" dealt with the Borg encounter. The Excalibur was present during the "First Contact"-battle and the ship's CO, Captain Korsmo, was killed during that attack. There are a few references to that incident in the other books.
Ug...the same sorry "Captain Korsmo" that Peter David wrote as being so jealous of his academy rival Picard that he fired on Enterprise D when Riker refused his order to make a suicide run at the Borg (in the book Vendetta). That was Korsmo in an Excelsior class. So, after firing on the Enterprise and getting his own ship destroyed foolishly, he got command of an even larger, more powerful starship...
Really, someone should take Peter david off Trek forever.
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quote:Originally posted by Mark Nguyen: As would I, for the same reason. I always found it laughable that someone like Shelby would STILL be stuck as a first officer on some older ship, seven or eight years after BoBW? I would much rather remember s the captain of a spiffy new Nebula-class starship, kicking Borg tail.
Agreed. Somehow I just can't picture her giving up all that ambition she had in BoBW to settle for being an XO for nearly another decade.
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: Really, someone should take Peter david off Trek forever.
He's the worst. New Frontier had some interesting characters and a decent enough premise, but the first book actually ended with a planet being an egg for "The Great Bird of the Galaxy". I mean, that was just cringeworthy.
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