So, I was justing watching DS9's 'Indiscretion', and those scenes with Dukat struck me as being rather strange. I mean, this man actually lead the occupation of Bajor, and is responsible for millions of deaths. And what's more, he practically raped Kira's mother. And yet he was a free man.
Was there ever any reason given for why he wasn't apprehended the moment he ever set foot on Bajoran soil again? Why was he basically free to go whereever he wanted to go? Even the Federation didn't apprehend him after the occupation was over. Surely this goes beyond the 'non-interference' policy of the Federation!
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
Probably some kind of quid pre quo agreement; we'll pull out of Bajor if you agree not to prosecute any Cardassian officials. I don't really remember most of what was said about the Cardassian withdrawal though.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Isn't Dukat's participation re: the Occupation the sort of thing that was never made entirely clear? I mean, sometimes he was just running the station, other times he was in charge of the whole operation.
Also, not remembering the details of the episode you've mentioned; did Dukat ever actually go to Bajor proper before the very end? DS9's jurisdictional status is contested in at least one episode I can think of.
At any rate, the Bajorans were willing to arrest and try other Cardassians, so I don't think any blanket immunity was in place.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
DS9 was a Bajoran station, and we know that Odo could arrest people. And he worked for the Bajoran Militia, if I'm not mistaken.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Yes, but it was leased out to Starfleet, and when Bajor wanted to grab "Gul Dar'heel" there were some complicated legal manuverings.
I mean, there was definitely a lot of cooperation going on, but I think the situation was supposed to be vaguely similar to Guantanamo Bay in this respect.
It would have been very interesting to see some episodes where Bajoran and UFP policy differed to such an extent that the question of who really controls the station came to a head, but here we get into certain of my own probably narrow interests re: Star Trek stories I think would be neat.
On edit: For instance, if Bajor had come to an agreement with the Klingons, and had forbidden Starfleet from using the station to fight them.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
But they wouldn't have gone against the word of the Emissary.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
I think Dukat was probably the last in a long line of heads of the Occupation. Possibly, he was only in direct control for overseeing the withdrawl.
I'd imagine that the real atrocities were commited under someone else's watch: Dukat's tyranny only extended as far as the station.
I dont think the Bajorans would risk (during the first two seasons anyway) giving the Cardassians an excuse for retaliation by arresting every Cardassian officer they could get their hands on. Only the big fish- like Gul Dar'heel.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
quote:But they wouldn't have gone against the word of the Emissary.
This is just silly. Supportable, probably, within the show. But still silly.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Why, in this hypothetical situation - all we have to go by is a similar situation and that would be the establishment of the non-agression pact with the Dominion by the Bajorans. This was fast-tracked by Sisko as both a Starfleet Captain and the Emissary to the Prophets see "Call To Arms".
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Yeah, but Sisko had not become an icon to the bajorans back in the first three seasons- after he found B'Halla and had that -very public- vision from the Prophets warning Bajor not to enter the Federation yet, then he could pull whatever stunt he wanted.
He was bigger than Jesus...and the Kai.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I think Dukat was probably the last in a long line of heads of the Occupation. Possibly, he was only in direct control for overseeing the withdrawl.
The show establishes that he was in control of the station for at least a decade, and probably longer. (He's running it when Kira is just a child, according to that episode who's name I forget.) And during that time, he could arbitarily summon people up from Bajor for no obvious reason (other than wanting to shag them).
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
Which begs the question... does Dukat like younger women?
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
His crush on Kira could be due to a resemblance to her mother...
Posted by Fleet-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
A very sick way to continue a relationship might I add...
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
True. Although it's probably fairly low down on the list of naughty things that he did.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
How long do Cardassians live? I'm guessing something like Vulcans considering Dukat's age during the occupation when Kira was a child and during the time of DS9.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam:
quote:Originally posted by Jason Abbadon: I think Dukat was probably the last in a long line of heads of the Occupation. Possibly, he was only in direct control for overseeing the withdrawl.
The show establishes that he was in control of the station for at least a decade, and probably longer. (He's running it when Kira is just a child, according to that episode who's name I forget.) And during that time, he could arbitarily summon people up from Bajor for no obvious reason (other than wanting to shag them).
Exactylt right: he would have been running the station- not overseeing the whole planet. Enabrin Tain seemed not to even recall who Dukat was when garak brought up his shit list. Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I wouldn't use anything Tain said as proof of anything though. Or even his reactions, come to that.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Yeah, I thought of that-Tain was probably verbally sparring with Garak, but it indicated (to me) that Dukat was not the head honcho for much of the occupation.
I'd imagine that at least a couple of former cardassian overseers (for want of an official title) were killed by resistance or replaced for not being able to eliminate them.
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
The title for Dukat during the later years of occupation seemed to be Prefect, that is, the head honcho of the occupation. It would clarify the timeline a bit if his past alluded to in "Wrongs Darker..." was as a somewhat lowlier official, that is, merely a station commander. But I have a gnawing feeling in my gut that the title Prefect was uttered in "Wrongs Darker..".
On a slighthly more lunatic vein, what about saying that the Gul Dukat who sired Tora Ziyal and ruled Bajor until the withdrawal was the *son* of the Gul Dukat who courted Kira Meru a few decades earlier? That would explain the non-aging, and some other inconsistencies as well.
Then again, we could say that all of "Wrongs Darker.." was just another Orb hallucination with little or no basis in reality.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Very lunatic theory there.
Cardassians would enjoy the same longivity that Klingons and humans of the same technology level enjoy.
So, Dukat may be over 100 but still only the equivalent of 50 to us.
...and Cardassians may live longer naturally anyway.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
How is it a given that "prefect" = "head of the entire occupation"?
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
It certainly wasn't true at my school.
Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The issue of who is really in control of the station seems pretty well established in The Circle trilogy. When it came down to it and Bajor said, "get out", starfleet got.
My guess is that Sisko or Starfleet managed to talk Bajor down from alot of differences in policy, but had it come right down to it, Starfleet would've pulled out, especially had the disagreement come during the Klingon conflict.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Ah, but, see, the whole "Circle" thing was essentially a local affair. Sure, the wormhole was neat and all, but the Federation can afford to take the long view on some issues.
The Klingon affair, on the other hand, was Big, with the Dominion waiting in the wings.
Anyway, as I said, we saw similar issues arise elsewhere in the show, primarily in "Duet". The Bajorans wanted a dude but couldn't just grab him. I'm not trying to suggest that the Federation was protecting Dukat, incidently. Just saying.
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