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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jason Abbadon</b> <br /><small>Member # 882</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,2,1,11,31,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 01, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:31 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> He Who Shall Not Be Named (except for in that <i>other</i> thread where I did) asked me to post the following:<br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I haven't seen some of s2, most of S3, or any of S4 of Enterprise. Was there any mention in "These Are The Voyages..." about how many races were founding the Federation? I know the traditional number is 5 & that Alpha Centauri was one of them--ENT never addressed the Alpha Centauri "problem," did it? If there was to be a 5th race to found the Fenderation, what would it be, the Denobulans? Is there any race not to think it could be 10 races?<br /><br />Also, we never saw anything on Tellarite ship classes, did we? No names or anything of the like?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dat</b> <br /><small>Member # 302</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,2,1,12,6,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 01, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:06 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> There was some mention in "Azati Prime", I believe. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Toadkiller</b> <br /><small>Member # 425</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,2,1,13,29,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 01, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:29 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Tell Mr. Riddle that we're stuck with making it up, still. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> <br /><small>Member # 30</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,2,1,18,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 01, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:48 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> There is no answer. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>emperorkalan</b> <br /><small>Member # 1821</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,2,14,18,59,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 14, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:59 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:<br /><strong> He Who Shall Not Be Named (except for in that <i>other</i> thread where I did) asked me to post the following:<br /> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I haven't seen some of s2, most of S3, or any of S4 of Enterprise. Was there any mention in "These Are The Voyages..." about how many races were founding the Federation? I know the traditional number is 5 & that Alpha Centauri was one of them--ENT never addressed the Alpha Centauri "problem," did it? If there was to be a 5th race to found the Fenderation, what would it be, the Denobulans? Is there any race not to think it could be 10 races?<br /><br />Also, we never saw anything on Tellarite ship classes, did we? No names or anything of the like?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"></strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Actually, ENT did establish Alpha Centauri as a human colony ("Twilight"). No specifics on other founding members (other than Humans, Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellarites).<br /><br />As for Tellarite ships, check out <br /><a href="http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/alphabeta_ships4.htm" target="_blank">http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/schematics/alphabeta_ships4.htm</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Peregrinus</b> <br /><small>Member # 504</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,2,14,19,55,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 14, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:55 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Problem is, ccording to the extensive fiction that arose from 1970 to 1990, the Alpha Centauri system has at least three habitable worlds -- one with "indiginous" Alpha Centaurians, and two Terran colonies. I put indigenous in quotes because that same fiction points to the Alpha Centaurians being descended from transplanted ancient Greeks.<br /><br />--Jonah <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Shakaar</b> <br /><small>Member # 1782</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,2,14,20,29,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 14, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:29 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"><strong>Also, we never saw anything on Tellarite ship classes, did we? No names or anything of the like?</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"></strong><br /><br />*headtilt* Why did they state that they missed so much, and then make such a proclamation? Actually, We've seen three different Tellarite vessels...<br /><a href="http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Tellarite_freighter" target="_blank">http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Tellarite_freighter</a><br /><a href="http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Tellarite_shuttle" target="_blank">http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Tellarite_shuttle</a><br /><a href="http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Tellarite_warship" target="_blank">http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Tellarite_warship</a><br /><br />In ENT - Demons it was stated that Earth, Vulcan, the Andorian Empire, Tellar, Denobula Triaxa, Rigel V, Coridan, and several other worlds had united together. That was mostly due to the Romulan attacks on many of their ships. That was not the Federation's founding though.<br /><br />The Founding Members are considered Alpha Centauri (Independent Earth colony), Andoria, Earth, Tellar, Vulcan. These are the "founding political groups" It consisted of more worlds as Andoria is often listed as Andoria and the Andorian Empire, so it and Vulcan probably have several worlds, and the only reason Alpha Centauri got listed was because it declared independence from Earth. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,2,14,23,49,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 14, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:49 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <blockquote>"Problem is, ccording to the extensive fiction that arose from 1970 to 1990..."</blockquote><br />Well, that's only a problem if you want it to be. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2006,2,14,23,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 14, 2006</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:58 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> If we want to be more "objective" about it, we might point out that Alpha Centauri is the only "supposed" founding member with an Earthling name. (Okay, "Vulcan" may be an Earthling version of the native name to the planet, but it still isn't "40 Eridani A", if you catch my drift.)<br /><br />Semantic subservience may imply subservience in general. If there were an independent native population to Alpha Centauri, we'd probably be hearing their native name a lot more often. (Unless, of course, that native name happened to be "Tellar" or "Berengaria" or something...) <br /><br />From the semantic point of view, it'd seem that even if there are native peoples in the AC system, they aren't credited with the founding of the Federation, not even in the theory where AC is one of the founding members.<br /><br />Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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