Apparantly, these guys are in the second episode and are called the Axanar. If that's true, than it's great news. Because while they are new aliens, they have a name that's canon and familiar (-> the Battle of Axanar, with Garh of Izar from TOS). It could be coincidental, or a genuine attempt for continuity! Positive as I am about ENT, I dare to say the last.
This, together with word of the Andorians and the Tellarites appearing, is very good news!
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Um... Yes. This was already discussed back when these pictures came out in TVGuide.
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
I know about the Andorians, but please, tell me more about the Tellerites appearing !!
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
They aren't. Westmore (Westmore?) said that if the Tellarites were to appear, he'd have to totally redesign them. So there's as much a chance for Tellarites as there is for anyone else, I guess, but they won't be appearing in any of the episodes filmed so far, at least.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
The Tellies appearing on the show was wishful thinking on my part based on Westmore's comments. Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
I looked up the entry for Axanar in the Encyclopedia & found something interesting. Apparently, the Battle of Axanar was a crucial turning point for the Federation, as Kirk states that because of the battle, he and Spock were able to work together as brothers. One could take this literally to mean a turning point in their personal relationship, or it could mean something bigger (i.e. Humans & Vulcans being able to work together as brothers).
How does this apply to Enterprise? Well, if there's an amicable but strained relationship between humans & Vulcans in Enterprise, it could mean that that relationship will continue to be strained until the 23rd century.
Posted by Stingray (Member # 621) on :
But you KNOW that Archer/T'Pol will get very chummy after 7 years. If what the encylopedia is correct, (which it won't be eventually), then Kirk/Spock could be represntative of cultural feelings of both species and Archer/T'Pol would be unothordox in their time.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well, I don't see any problem with Westmore adding his touch to the Tellarites. He has with most of the other races. I have had a feeling that Lt. Nara? That was Lt Kwan's superior officer in the Nacelle control room was a female Tellarite! Have a look at her - she has that whole 'hoighty' feel and the porcine nose!
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Andrew... you might be right. You could make a Tellarite out of it. I wonder if that was intentionally.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Is "hoighty" a word?
And I don't think she was intended to be a Tellarite. If so, why would Westmore say they would need redesigning? He would have already done it.
Posted by Wes1701E (Member # 212) on :
I'm betting the Battle of Axanar takes place durring the Enterprise timeline, and Kirk is refering to it as a turning point for Vulcans and Humans, not just him and Spock.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
We don't even know if there is such a thing as a Battle of Axanar. Just that Kirk was on a peace mission there. Or have I missed something amazing?
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Kirk mentioned Garth of Izar won a major victory at planet Axanar. Afterwards, Kirk attends a peace mission, "as a newly fledged cadet", indicating this whole Axanar business takes place in the 2250s. Maybe after the battle the Axanar joined the Federation?
Posted by Phycro Onyx (Member # 579) on :
this could get intresting Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Or maybe Axanar already was in the Federation, and the war prevented it from seceding, thereby stopping other disgruntled members like Vulcan from seceding as well? Then Kirk and Spock "could work as brothers" as the result of the Axanar incident.
It could also be that Vulcans simply disagreed with how to handle some unspecified problem with the Axanari, and the way Garth eventually handled it proved satisfactory to the Vulcans so they decided to forge closer ties with humans. But would the Vulcans really approve of a glorious battle? Or was it the "peace mission" that impressed them?
In any case, I don't expect to see any kind of closure in ENT's handling of the Axanari. Whatever is "wrong" with them should remain that way till the 2250s.
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
For all we know, the Vulcans were impressed by the tactical maneuverings of Starfleet and decided to enter into closer ties with a people they hadn't realized capable of such strategy.
Posted by MeGotBeer (Member # 411) on :
Wait a sec ...
Andorians are appearing? When? Where?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Combs appears in the fourth episode, I think. And there was news about another actor doing an Andorian...no one famous...but I don't recall which episode he was going to be in.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
The 'Tellarite' in Eye of the Beholder - maybe Westmore forgot - or it wasn't an intentional Tellarite - but could pass for one - or that the MALES have to be redesigned - seeing as Nara was a female.
Hoighty - I don't know if it is a word - heh heh - I guess it is a cross between haughty and hoity-toity! ;o)
The Fifth Episode of Enterprise - I read somewhere is going to be called "The Andorian Incident".
Also - reguarding the Battle of Axanar - maybe it was THIS battle that lead to the establishment of the United Federation Of Planets? This would certainly allow Vulcans and Humans to work together as 'brothers'.
I really would LOVE to see Tellarites - no matter how much they 'tinker' with them - I mean if they are having Riged Klingons - I could deal with 'tinkered' Tellarites - as long as they are RECOGNISABLE as Tellarites.
I wonder if we are going to be seeing other core worlds... Berengaria anyone?
More interesting bits about the Andorians. It seems like the new Andorians are villains, which I can buy. They have already been described as violent, and there are rogue Andorians in the 24th century, so this race could be the troublemakers of the era. It also seems like the new Andorians will possible resemble the TMP Andorians more than the other ones (and thank God they're not going for that silly TNG Andorian look!!), since Combs speaks of a forehead appliance. And the antennae move! Jippy!
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I was less than thrilled to learn Combs was playing another villain. Yes, he does it well, but I was hoping for someone a bit...well, friendlier, I suppose. Oh well, wait and see, etc, I suppose.
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
Same here. I thought he was going to play the Andorian ambassador or something...
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Then we are going to have three separate events regarding the Axanari (as they were called non-canonically before this whole ENT shenanigans) Heres what we know
2150s. The NX Enterprise interacts with the Axanar. something happens, or maybe a whole series of somethings happening over the next few years.
Early 23rd century. Garth of Izar fights a battle at Axanar. This makes him a great hero of the day and legend to young cadets like Jimmy T. Kirk.
After that. Cadet Kirk goes to Axanar on a peace mission. He distinguishes himself and wins an award. While Garths was a respectable and laudable military victory, Kirk points out that this trip to Axanar was all about peace as a counterpoint to Garths violent ways years later.
Which one allows Vulcans and Terrans to get along better? Maybe one of the deals was that the Axanar or the Federations policy of dealing with the Axanar caused a split between the two. Possibly the Vulcans really got upset at our military actions there, courageous as they were, and the peace mission made the Vulcans more confident they wanted to be buds with these Earthers.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
By the way, I just got really pissed off reding that Jeffrey Comb's interview. He said the Andorian from TOS was cheesy, and that the new makeup includes a .. .. .. forehead piece!!!????? I hope to god he's only talking about the antennae WTF WTF
WESTMORE: ALIENS DONT HAVE TO HAVE THINGS ON THEIR FOREHEADS!!!!!!! Romulans used to not have things on their foreheads.. now they do. Cant you just do an alien the way it used to look? *sob*
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Sucky, you mean? Oh boy.
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
the Tellarites WERE redesigned (quite well too.. for The Voyage Home in the council chamber) and Nara in 'The Eye of the Beholder' looked nothing like any tellarite, she didnt have deep eyes or a porcine nose, her nose was bi-furcated into slits and the appliance continued about her face in a really non-Tellarite fashion. Simply put, Tellarite noses stick out far, and hers was designed to be flat on her face. A complete opposite when you think about it.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
And now you've posted this twice. Why?
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
because we were talking about it in two places.. sorry.. next time ill start a new thread
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
There were Tellartubbies in The Voyage Home? Where? Where? Lemmesee!!
Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :
Unofficially. there was a guy wearing furs and a nosepiece... he looks very much like the very model of a modern major tellarite. Or wed lik to think he was.. jpg anyone? he was identified as such in the LUG Price of Freedom RPG sourcebook
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
