I was right about Daniels being da woim. Ha. Ha ha ha. And the infamous "I hereby grant thee speaking lines" crewman pin is back. Here's hoping he doesn't kick it by the end of the ep, as he could make a nifty recurrer.
[ November 21, 2001: Message edited by: The_Tom ]
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Interesting. So the "temporal cold war" is at least partly based in about the thirty-first century. Well post-Braxton, anyway. Perhaps the HoloDoc's backup program is the culprit? :-)
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
No, it's me. Honest.
Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
I hope we catch a peek as to what 31st century Federation space-time ships look like. *crosses fingers*
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Assuming that there is a Federation in the 31st century.
Posted by MIB (Member # 426) on :
hmmmm. You got a point.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Assuming there are starships. They very well may use flying RV's powered by the Swartz.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
LoneStarr!
I hope they don't give us a look at the "future" Federation. Hints are enough, IMHO.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Not too bad, so far. It looks like The_Tom isn't going to get his wish. And, damn, Daniels bit the dust in a weird explosion. No vaporization or anything, he just blew into large chunks.
Also, as to Jeff, there doesn't seem to be any hints to the future Federation. There is the odd little bit about 31st century Earth, however. In particular, Illinois.
I'll be adding more in a while later when the episode is done, and when I finish my last chapter of statistics.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Lee'll love it ... Starfleet rifles! Didn't see them very well, looked pretty cool.
Loved that door lock device at the end. Pretty cool.
Wouldn't it make sense for Daniel's stuff to have some sort of "Temporal Retraction" ... he dies, his stuff instantly transports back to the future?
So, there's another shuttlebay ... (or at least the other half of the one we know about) no shuttles, though. Looks like Enterprise can carry up to four.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but they are replaying the premier episode next week, right?
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Oh, it could have been so good. So close. And yet so far...
Posted by TheF0rce (Member # 533) on :
So the Suliban saved the Enterprise from destruction...hmmmmmm
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Which makes it all the more interesting. Silik never had any intention of killing Archer in the beginning and seems to know a great deal about him. Silik saves Enterprise, not Daniels.
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Which *doesn't* mean that Silik has the Enterprise's best intentions at heart.
For all we know, Crewman Jones has a kid named Timmy who has a daughter named Carrie whose son Joe has six kids, one of those, Mick, has a son named Timmy whose great-grandson Hobbes has only one kid Markus who names his own son "Palpatine" (just for fun) and who then becomes a mad dictator and takes over the 28th Century Federation and turns it into the Empire (complete with evil sith sidekick).
Posted by David Templar (Member # 580) on :
Well, if you put it that way...
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Are you trying to imply TSN is my great-grandfather?
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
Not at all. I'm trying to imply TSN's great-grandson is a talking stuffed tiger.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
If I ever have a descendant named "Palpatine", he'd better be an interstellar emperor! It'd be a hell of an expectation to not live up to.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
Actually, TSN is my love child. I transported back in time to 1980 to do the naughty lambamba with Lexa Doig. After little Timmie conceived, I found TSN's mom and transferred the zygote Timmie into his mom by using technology I stole from 24th Century Earth. So far, no one has caught me for it, either...
Ooops. Maybe I shouldn't have told y'all that, huh?
Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
The only point I was trying to make is that Silik may not have been saving Enterprise so much because of the role it may or may not play directly, but indirectly. Or something along those lines somewhere.
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
As I said in one of the other "Cold Front" threads, I think that Silik may have staged the disaster deliberately. Through some means (maybe asking the freighter captain to take a different path through the nursery?) he managed to get Enterprise in a position that would cause it to get hit by the plasma flare. That way, he try and reason with Archer that he was not really the one Archer should be worried with since he saved Enterprise from destruction.
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Siegfried: You're right; you shouldn't have told people that. Not necessarily for my sake. More because Lexa Doig was seven years old in 1980...
Posted by Siegfried (Member # 29) on :
'Fraid not, my son. You see, I took the present-day Lexa Doig back in time with to 1980 to do the horizontal hoedown. I didn't go back in time to 1980 to violate a first grader. Sloppy sentence construction on my part, I'll admit that.
Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :
I think that Silik CAUSED the accident in the first place, only to then save the Enterprise and look like a good-guy to Archer. When they were fighting in the Jeffries Tude-area, Archer threatened Silik with his pistol and Silik said something like "Careful, Captain. You wouldn't want to cause another antimatter burst, would you?"
Sounds kinda like Silik caused the first one to me...
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
Might be. At least it cannot have been the intention of Silik to really destroy the ship. His master would not want that to happen, or else he'd already have ordered the ship's destruction back in "Broken Bow" when it was ridicuously easy.
From the looks of it, this FutureGuy might be trying to save the Enterprise for a special occasion. He probably has other means to his unknown yet undoubtedly nefarious end, but if they all fail like the Klingon civil war plot did, he's probably already got some sort of a long-term backup plan for which he needs an intact and possibly cooperative NX-01.
Which may be a rather stupid thing, from his point of view and from Paramount's. What is there left for the heroes to do when even the villains want to protect the ship?
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Kosh (Member # 167) on :
I've asked this before, and no one at the Slipstream answered (May have something to do with the question). When Silik was talking to his contact in the future, you get a good look at the outline of the future guy. Looked like Danials to me. Anyone else notice?
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
If by "looked like Daniels" you mean "looked like an adult male humanoid," then yes. Otherwise, no.
Posted by Balaam Xumucane (Member # 419) on :
Daniels body with John Vernon's Voice? No, but your idea is very interesting. However even if they were able to conceive of suchg a thing, I doubt the writers would be able to implement something that clever/confusing (see: Faith of the Heart.)
It would be far less interesting if Silik actually caused the accident. Not to mention more difficult (It's a lightning strike essentially. Not too hard to influence, but one would imagine very difficult to accomplish undetected.) I prefer to think that he negated the problem due to his prescient knowledge of the event. This may heve been to perpetuate some future nefariousness, or not.
[ December 02, 2001: Message edited by: Balaam Xumucane ]
Posted by Grokca (Member # 722) on :
I finally watched this last night, Does anyone else hate these walk through walls stuff. I mean if he could go through the wall why not through the deck underneath him. Pissed me off in the NG episode where Geordie and the girl become out of phase and they go through the walls but not the floors. Especially on a moving ship these people should just fly out the back of the ship as there is no friction to keep them moving with the ship or fiction to give them the power to move themselves though the ship.
Posted by Vogon Poet (Member # 393) on :
John Vernon! THAT'S who the voice sounds like. . . It's been bugging me for ages. Is it actually him who did the voice?
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
Here's a thought: this little "save the ship" incident could explain why the NX-01 isn't on the walls in TMP and TNG -- since it was ignominiously destroyed flying into some stellar nursery less than six months into its mission, it wasn't nearly important enough to include on those historical wall-hangings. Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
MysteryFutureGuy = James Horan.
MinutiaeMan's theory has certainly been kicking around for a while. Of course, it's still being left unclear (wisely, I think) whether ENT takes place in an alternate timeline to existing Trek thanks either to the events of "Broken Bow" or "Cold Front" or whether the timeline alterations naturally lead to the 23rd and 24th century we already know putting ENT in the same timeline.
Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
John Vernon would be better, though. Imagine it now:
"Greg, what is the worst ship in this fleet?"
"Well that would be hard to say, sir. They're each outstanding in their own way."
"Cut the horseshit, son. I've got their disciplinary files right here. Who dropped a whole cargohold of fizzies into Lake Armstrong? Who delivered the medical school cadavers to the Admiral's Banquet? Every Halloween, the drydocks are filled with underwear. Every refit, the toilets explode."
"You're talking about Enterprise, sir."
"Of COURSE I'm talking about Enterprise, you TWERP!"
Posted by Ryan McReynolds (Member # 28) on :
It may be unclear in fans' minds, but it's not being left unclear by Berman and Braga... they have always indicated that Enterprise is supposed to take place in the "main" Star Trek universe. That's why, for instance, Braga agonized in an interview over visual contact with Romulans being a continuity violation. They routinely state that they're trying to make things fit, and would only break established continuity if they had a very good reason... whether or not they achieve that is, of course, a different story.
