quote:Originally posted by Some Dumb Magazine: We also hear that the producers are looking to rename the show by inserting �Star Trek� into the singular title.
i like this.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I definitely would, though.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I wouldn't. "Star Trek Enterprise" is what my mum has always called the show, because she is one of those people who ALWAYS GETS THE NAME OF THINGS WRONG. "Powderpuffy Girls" was bad enough, but "Stars Warring"?
Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
As a "real Trek" tie-in, the title change would work splendidly. And as subtly as pretty much everything else in ENT.
But the uniform change? That thing isn't even a uniform, it's civilian clothing for the token alien outcast of the show! Hardly worthy of comparing with the TMP pajamas. (One wonders whether that IS what passes for pajams on Vulcan?)
C'mon, give us spoilers on the supposed Marine uniforms instead!
Timo Saloniemi
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
So, I guess that in fourth season T'Pol will dye her hair blond, and in fifth season she'll receive eye implant... Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
So B&B are looking to rename ENT because... contrary to their Grand Scheme of Things, the show has failed to attract any casual viewers? Just what was the reasoning behind omitting "Star Trek" from the title, again? Something about catering to the tastes of a broader, non-Trek audience?
This comes as a SHOCK, really.
Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
I liked the more military look of the ENTERPRISE uniforms, but on the other tentacle, I can understand wanting to look more like the STAR TREK prequel that it's supposed to be. be funny if Archer gets a new chair... a big square one.
Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :
quote:I liked the more military look of the ENTERPRISE uniforms, but on the other tentacle, I can understand wanting to look more like the STAR TREK prequel that it's supposed to be.
Huh? The Starfleet uniforms won't change. Just T'Pol's outfit.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:"Of the Star Trek movies, two of the most successful and popular, amongst both the general box office and the fans, were Star Trek IV — the one about the whales — and Star Trek: First Contact. They were both movies that dealt with impending destruction of the Earth, huge stakes that Enterprise and its crew had to go out and undo. So our thought was that, rather than just have a general mission of exploring space peacefully, [we'd] do a portion or maybe even an entire season where we had a very specific and a very immediate and a very dangerous situation."
I guess he missed the box office reports for Nemesis and ST:I. Of course I don't believe for a second that this is the real reason behind the shake-up, but they should at least try to make up a convincing lie. They're not doing themselves any favours in the credibility department with this kind of statement. I'm not one to bash just for the fun of it so I hesitate to say this, but that really does make him sound stupid.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
As stupid as someone who thinks that Insurrection dealt with the impending destruction of Earth?
I think the reason for omitting "Star Trek" was twofold. One, to attempt to grab casual fans who would never watch "Star Trek"; and two, the fact that "Star Trek Enterprise" sounds really, really stupid.
quote: So, I guess that in fourth season T'Pol will dye her hair blond, and in fifth season she'll receive eye implant...
Er, if anything her new outfit looks [iless[/i] like Seven's catsuit that it did before.
quote: Hardly worthy of comparing with the TMP pajamas.
The TMP uniforms should never be used in the same sentence as "worthy". Unless a negative or extremely heavy sarcasm is used.
Posted by CaptainMike20X6 (Member # 709) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: As stupid as someone who thinks that Insurrection dealt with the impending destruction of Earth?
or ST:I referring to the film before ST:II and ST:III ? (but of course, that 'impending destruction of Earth' movie did OK at the box office.. it suffers from being a bring overpriced fiasco
Posted by Triton (Member # 1043) on :
From the same article:
quote:Braga and Berman still insist that the show is not showing it�s age, and that its creators are not to blame for slipping viewership.
So what is the reason for it going slightly luke-warm in popularity? "Don't know," says Braga. "Don't know."
Credibility? The two of them don't have any credibility. Are we to believe that Braga and Berman are really that clueless? Are they living in ivory towers? And what about their bosses at Paramount?
As for attracting the non-Star Trek fan/ casual viewer perhaps they should have originally named the show:
Captain Archer's Party Ship
But is there anyone on this planet who doesn't know that Enterprise is a Star Trek spin-off series? Is Star Trek even necessary in the title? Do you think it's going to make any difference in the continuity department with the Enterprise television series?
I can just see the ad copy now: New name, same awful taste!
Posted by Wraith (Member # 779) on :
quote: Braga and Berman still insist that the show is not showing it’s age, and that its creators are not to blame for slipping viewership.
Showing it's age? What, about 2 years? Well, that's absolutely ancient, I'm surprised it hasn't fossilised or something.
Posted by Kazeite (Member # 970) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Er, if anything her new outfit looks less like Seven's catsuit that it did before.
Can't you see? It's blue!
OK, but seriously, is this supposed to be T'pol civilian clothes? What happened to the square-shouldered classic Vulcan outfit, like those seen in First Contact? Or her Broken Bow costume? (which was actually pretty cool - she looked kinda like female Anakin Skywalker )
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
I don't know what it is. I can't imagine Sarek wearing skintight spandex Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by CaptainMike20X6:
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: As stupid as someone who thinks that Insurrection dealt with the impending destruction of Earth?
or ST:I referring to the film before ST:II and ST:III ?
In that case, that person has appalling grammar. Or syntax. Which ever one it is.
Star Trek: I : The Motion Picture?
Madness.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Kazeite:
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Er, if anything her new outfit looks less like Seven's catsuit that it did before.
Can't you see? It's blue!
Well, true. But Seven also had a variety of other funky colours, and I'm sure at least one of them matched the colour of T'Pol's now-old uniform.
Posted by Triton (Member # 1043) on :
In the season four retooling T'Pol will have a bare mid-riff and wear a futuristic navel ring. She will also have Vulcan tattoos on her biceps that look like rose thorns or barbed wire.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
And in season 5 she will be completely starkers.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: As stupid as someone who thinks that Insurrection dealt with the impending destruction of Earth?
Indeed. Good thing I said Nemesis instead of Insurrection. Confusing Insurrection with Nemesis however, really is stupid.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
You said "ST:I". As has been established BY GOD, only weirdos would write "ST:TMP" like that. Hence, you are still silly.
Posted by Reverend (Member # 335) on :
If you haven't already noticed that about me by now then you're not very observant. Besides, I'm agnostic.
Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :
It's not Star Trek: I. Or Star Trek: III.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Yeah, it's Star Trek III: Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Reverend: Besides, I'm agnostic.
Woopee. Have a banana.
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
In other news.. just saw "Conundrum" [TNG]. Picard needed a 'moral context' to make his decisions. Now, when's the last time ANYONE on Star Trek has used those words? Enterprise seems to be more aimed at 12 year olds than at a mature audience.
/rant
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Which one was Conundrum again?
Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :
The episode in which Ro & Riker get it on and Worf plays Boss and everyone else is like: "Who are we? What do we want? Why are we here?"
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Oh yeah.
Well, unless the crew of Enterprise lose their memories and start wondering if they are in a war or not, then those words probably won't come up.
Posted by Mountain Man (Member # 1114) on :
Someone mentioned T'pol being blonde.Well I ran across a bunch of nude photos of miss Blaylock, blonde and very much Non Vulcan in her poses.That young lady could have my ranch and all my cattle. Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
Ah, yes, dear Maxim, Playboy's heir-apparent. Posted by Mountain Man (Member # 1114) on :
Not the Maxim pics though they were nice.These were all the way more like the old penthouse.Nothing left to the imagination.They were on her official site but suddenly disapeared.Too bad my printer was screwed up.Probably never see those again.
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Right.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
Yes. No doubt you found the Britney Spears hardcore porn flick on her official site, only you didn't have the right codec and then it likewise mysteriously disappeared.
I mean, the phrase "right-click, save as" never once occurred to you while perusing the alleged Penthouse-style pics of Ms. Blalock? Come on.
Posted by Mountain Man (Member # 1114) on :
Never really thought about it just ran a websearch and found one of the pictures.It's on a different webpage than the one I remember.The first time I saw it was a couple of months after Enterprise first aired.That Page was titled official,Or Oficial Fansite, but of course that doesn't mean it was.I printed the picture this time.Looking closely,(Just for the sake of accuracy you understand)I have to say that the picture may be a fake.It's Suposed to be an outdoor scene but the edges show signs that you might expect from a blue screen.Oh well there goes that fantasy.I could give you the address of the page but it would be a waste of time.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
I'd like to say I've seen enough of La Blalock's photoshoots to say I've never seen one with an outdoorsy setting, but the truth is she's done so many for Maxim, FHM etc., I'm surprised she has time to appear in a weekly TV show. But put it this way, she's never done proper topless, let alone exposed front bottom shots; so, if you saw either, they were fake.
Posted by Mountain Man (Member # 1114) on :
Yeah I finally realized that when I studied the picture closely.The edges of the figure were what gave it away.Thats pobably why the Webpage that it was originaly on disappeared.Actually after some of the stuff that appeared in the magazines over the years all this counterfeit stuff sort of took me by suprize.Guess thats a good one on me.HA Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
quote: The episode in which Ro & Riker get it on and Worf plays Boss and everyone else is like: "Who are we? What do we want? Why are we here?"
Is it possible to delete that portion of the thread? Seriously, if an ENT writer comes here, he may come up with some homage (of course, with an entirely new plot)...
Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :
quote:"Of the Star Trek movies, two of the most successful and popular, amongst both the general box office and the fans, were Star Trek IV — the one about the whales — and Star Trek: First Contact. They were both movies that dealt with impending destruction of the Earth, huge stakes that Enterprise and its crew had to go out and undo. So our thought was that, rather than just have a general mission of exploring space peacefully, [we'd] do a portion or maybe even an entire season where we had a very specific and a very immediate and a very dangerous situation."
I guess he missed the box office reports for Nemesis and ST:I.
I don't have the box office for Insurrection and Nemsis handy, but for a piece I wrote some years ago I did some math of the box-office for the Trek films released to date. This is what I came up with:
Just how much money did each of the Trek films make? Well, although generally profitable for Paramount, the series never reached the box-office heights of a Star Wars or Titanic. In fact, even adjusted for inflation, none of the Star Trek films are even in the top 100 moneymaking films.
Here�s a ranking of the Trek movies ranked from highest to lowest box-office, in millions of dollars:
The figures below are in order: RANK, DOMESTIC BOX OFFICE, OVERSEAS BOX OFFICE, WORLWIDE TOTAL, AND FILM NAME. Where I could not find a figure, I left a blank ___:
1 $109.7 ___ $109.7 The Voyage Home (1986) 2 $ 92.0 $ 54.0 $146.0 First Contact (1996) 3 $ 82.3 $ 51.0 $ 133.3 The Motion Picture (1979) 4 $ 78.9 ___ $ 78.9 The Wrath of Khan (1982) 5 $ 76.4 ___ $ 76.4 The Search for Spock (1984) 6 $ 75.7 $ 42.4 $118.1 Generations (1994) 7 $ 74.9 $ 22.0 $ 96.9 The Undiscovered Country (1991) 8 $ 55.2 ___ $ 55.2 The Final Frontier (1989) TOTAL $645.0 $169.4 $814.4
They say figures can be misleading, and, indeed, they are. Everyone may say that Titanic made more money than Star Wars, but movie ticket prices are not static. If you adjust the grosses for films to compensate for inflation, you get some very different results. In the case of Star Trek, we see some significant shuffling. First Contact goes from #1 to #5, Khan and Generations swap their positions. Interestingly, The Final Frontier remains firmly buried at the bottom of the heap.
Adjusted for inflation (1998 dollars):
RANK DOM OVER WORLD FILM 1 $145.6 $ 90.2 $235.8 The Motion Picture (1979) 2 $129.2 ___ $129.2 The Voyage Home (1986) 3 $109.5 ___ $109.5 The Wrath of Khan (1982) 4 $ 99.3 __ $ 99.3 The Search for Spock (1984) 5 $ 92.0 $ 54.0 $146.0 First Contact (1996) 6 $ 79.1 $ 44.4 $ 123.5 Generations (1994) 7 $ 77.8 $ 22.9 $ 100.7 The Undiscovered Country (1991) 8 $ 57.2 ___ $ 57.2 The Final Frontier (1989)
It�s interesting to note that, adjusted for inflation, the much-maligned TMP raked in more domestic bucks than any of its follow-ups. In fact, the average gross domestic box-office for a Trek film (in 1998 dollars) is about $98.7 million, and TMP came in at a whopping 1.48 times that figure, whereas a First Contact, which is widely considered a better and more popular film, came in right on the average, whileGenerations and TUC, both also considered better and more popular, came in considerably below average.
Why which films were more successful at the box office is another subject entirely.
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