Well, I finally saw Kir-Shara - and I really really loved it!
A very good episode. Shran was great, Soval was better. I've warmed to T'Pau - she seems more... "Vulcan" and less... random character now.
No more Vulcan High-Command?? I liked the part about Earth now being free to grow on it's own. It was a very satisfying arc. It just fleshes trek back-history out nicely - without being too contrived and being so wonderfully steadfast in continuity, both Trek continuity and within-Enterprise continuity. Lirpas! Tomed!! P'Nar syndrome!!!! Even the high command was lying to the people reguards that!
After reading this thing about the US government trying to falsify information reguards sexual matters and HIV transmission etc. and of course the war-aspect of things - It has struck me how much the current US government is like the Vulcan High-Command! What city was the high command in? Kir-Shar sp?? city?
Ohhh mention of City of Gol too... that whole scene was fantastic - the way Soval told the story and then the look of Shran was very well done - when Soval finally got out that Shran might end up the Andorian name for foolish - it was quite... tense? well done? I don't know
Great episode!
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
Aaaa! Bush is a Chinese Communist Agent! Run away!
But seriously, yeah, I'd have to say that I'm starting to get more interested in Enterprise as contrasted with my near-apathy for Season 2 and most of 3. It looks like the current attitude is "Fix up the screw-ups that happened earlier and show us *new* things." *New* as in things that would be an old hat by the time we get to TOS/TNG such as well, Vulcan. and Andoria. I like it.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
A Vulcan High Command exists in the 24th Century, so a new one must be established over the next 2 centuries...
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
Does it, though?
I can only find Romulan, Cardassian and Klingon HCs in the scripts.
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
I'm surprised no one's mentioned the Romulan at the end of the episode talking to V'Las about reunification...
Posted by HerbShrump (Member # 1230) on :
I'm more interested in the fact the NX-01 was able to counteract the sensor interference caused by the nebula. That know-how must have been lost by Kirk's day.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Maybe that Nebula wasn't a very 'strong' nebula?? What ever that means.
The Romulan yes! I like how it now leads to more continuity throughout the series and over Trek as a whole. Poor old Romulans - been wanting reunification for well over 200 years now!
Ohh, I just thought - maybe the Humans siding with the Vulcans annoyed the Romulans - stopping reunification (by any means necessary) and so though it wise to try and take out the humans to make reunification with Vulcan easier. I'm sure Archer and Enterprise being there and throwing their plans into disarray would have really shaken them up! So they try to take out the Humans only to get everyone to side against them!?!
Also V'Las - do you think he is just one very disillusioned Vulcan!?! Do you think in his own way he thought what he was doing was for the good of Vulcan - for reunification - having misplaced trust in this Romulan fellow - thinking the two worlds would be better together than asunder?
Hmm. I hope they address that.
Did anyone think that the younger dark-haired dark-eyed vulcan in V'Las's office in this episode and the last episode looked sort of like the Vulcan that accompanied Sarek in the episode "Sarek" - not saying that they are the same character maybe just the same... actor? Or they just look alike?
Posted by Topher (Member # 71) on :
That guy also looked like Arne Darvin to me (in TOS), but that's not possible...
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by AndrewR: Did anyone think that the younger dark-haired dark-eyed vulcan in V'Las's office in this episode and the last episode looked sort of like the Vulcan that accompanied Sarek in the episode "Sarek" - not saying that they are the same character maybe just the same... actor? Or they just look alike?
I thouight the same thing last week: I'm almost certain it's the same actor.
I cant figure out weither V'Las is a Romulan (as we know they dont all sport those skull ridges) or just a Vulcan dupe that has zero emotional control. Really, even if he was human, you'd think him pretty high strung.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
You know... Come to think of it, the number of actual Romulans we've seen without ridges is fairly low. In TOS, beyond the generally-unnamed Commanders and subordinates, practically everyone was wearing those spiffy helmets (which I'd hope to see sometime, in some variation in ENT). It's possible that the higher-ranked people (and Nanclus from ST6) were altered to screw people around, hint at the long-term plans for reunification, or some other strange reason.
Or, the upcoming Klingon episode's plot could spread to them, too.
Mark
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I think he's a Vulcan. I'd wondered the same thing, but the Romulan at the end said "the reunification of our people". Granted, this could technically make sense if they were both Romulans, but I think the writers were assuming V'las is Vulcan.
Posted by cubby14 (Member # 1428) on :
I noticed that the way they wanted unification might be the way Sela wants it in 200 years. War torn Vulcan under Romulan rule sort of thing but Sela wanted it with a twist by capturing Vulcan with a peace envoy. I've be watching Unification recently.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by Topher: I'm surprised no one's mentioned the Romulan at the end of the episode talking to V'Las about reunification...
quote:Originally posted by HerbShrump: I'm more interested in the fact the NX-01 was able to counteract the sensor interference caused by the nebula.
Star Trek fans are just the worse people ever.
Posted by Captain Boh (Member # 1282) on :
quote:Originally posted by HerbShrump: I'm more interested in the fact the NX-01 was able to counteract the sensor interference caused by the nebula. That know-how must have been lost by Kirk's day.
Not all nebulae are going to have the same affect on the sensors.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
quote:Originally posted by cubby14: I've be watching Unification recently.
I pity you.
quote:Originally posted by Captain Boh:
quote:Originally posted by HerbShrump: I'm more interested in the fact the NX-01 was able to counteract the sensor interference caused by the nebula. That know-how must have been lost by Kirk's day.
Not all nebulae are going to have the same affect on the sensors.
Exactly right: in BOBW, we see a nebula composed of "Dilithium Hydroxils" that fuck with sensors but unless Dilithium is a really common element, most nebulas would be harmless and scannable.
Good thing there's always a handy sensor-scrambling nebula to hide in when the heroes need it. Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
Never mind that the sensor-screwing nebula in BOBW only seemed to affect the Borgs sensors.
Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :
quote:Originally posted by Harry: Does it, though?
I can only find Romulan, Cardassian and Klingon HCs in the scripts.
Yes, it was mentioned in Voyager.
Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
quote:Originally posted by PsyLiam: Never mind that the sensor-screwing nebula in BOBW only seemed to affect the Borgs sensors.
I don't think we have enough information to make that assumption. In BOBW, the Enterprise wasn't trying to target the borg ship, the borg ship was outside, in the clear (easier to look out, then look in?), and the Borg ship was firign torpedoes, which wouldn't take much triangulation to see where they come from.. especially when the borg ship wasn't trying to hide.
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
quote:Originally posted by TheWoozle: In BOBW, the Enterprise wasn't trying to target the borg ship, the borg ship was outside, in the clear (easier to look out, then look in?), and the Borg ship was firign torpedoes,
I don't count the torpedoes firing thing, since they didn't start doing that until just before the Enterprise leaves.
I suppose the nebula COULD have been easier to look out than look in, but it seems a bit weird. If someone is covered in fog, it's just as hard for them to see someone standing 50 metres away in the clear as it is for that person to see the guy in the fog. The nebula would have to act like some weird one-way glass. And we're not talking about this, because it is:
1/ Nerdy 2/ Tech talk in the wrong forum, and 3/ Not related to the topic at all.
Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
That last scene was weird. One minute V'Las seems to be talking to the Romulan very much as if he is a Vulcan, annoyed with what he perceives as his allies' failings; then he's almost acting as if subordinate to the Romulan, and expecting to be extracted from his role to boot. Does V'Las expect to defect to Romulus to avoid going to jail for the embassy bombing, or because he is really a Romulan and wants to go home?
Posted by Krenim (Member # 22) on :
I got the impression V'Las was Romulan, although I guess there's no real evidence of that.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
It'd be interesting if they brought that character back. V'Lass I mean.
Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
Yes, because he was such an interesting three-dimensional character.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
Sure he was: a obviously bloodthirsty Vulcan that yells and throws tantrums...and yet no one questions his behavior.
Most Vulcans are sheep aparently.
Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
Well, hey, they said he had a unique talent to govern...
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
What I meant by bringing back his character - was continuing this arc - i.e. I hope he is at least mentioned when this Romulan involement starts cropping up.
Posted by TheWoozle (Member # 929) on :
seems to me, that Vulcan/Romulan intrigue would be a natural for the rest of the season and for the next century. In fact, before BALLANCE OF TERROR, there really is no way to tell if a Vulcan ship near the Neutral Zone is actually a Romulan Spy.. or even suspect it. the Romulans signing the peace treaty without visuals really makes sense.
Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :
The Romulans probably did not want the Vulcans knowing about them as opposed to keeping secrets from the pinkskins.
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