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AndrewR
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Well, I finally saw Kir-Shara - and I really really loved it!

A very good episode. Shran was great, Soval was better. I've warmed to T'Pau - she seems more... "Vulcan" and less... random character now.

No more Vulcan High-Command?? I liked the part about Earth now being free to grow on it's own. It was a very satisfying arc. It just fleshes trek back-history out nicely - without being too contrived and being so wonderfully steadfast in continuity, both Trek continuity and within-Enterprise continuity. Lirpas! Tomed!! P'Nar syndrome!!!! Even the high command was lying to the people reguards that!

After reading this thing about the US government trying to falsify information reguards sexual matters and HIV transmission etc. and of course the war-aspect of things - It has struck me how much the current US government is like the Vulcan High-Command! What city was the high command in? Kir-Shar sp?? city?

Ohhh mention of City of Gol too... that whole scene was fantastic - the way Soval told the story and then the look of Shran was very well done - when Soval finally got out that Shran might end up the Andorian name for foolish - it was quite... tense? well done? I don't know

Great episode!

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Aaaa! Bush is a Chinese Communist Agent! Run away!

But seriously, yeah, I'd have to say that I'm starting to get more interested in Enterprise as contrasted with my near-apathy for Season 2 and most of 3.
It looks like the current attitude is "Fix up the screw-ups that happened earlier and show us *new* things." *New* as in things that would be an old hat by the time we get to TOS/TNG such as well, Vulcan. and Andoria. I like it.

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A Vulcan High Command exists in the 24th Century, so a new one must be established over the next 2 centuries...

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Does it, though?

I can only find Romulan, Cardassian and Klingon HCs in the scripts.

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I'm surprised no one's mentioned the Romulan at the end of the episode talking to V'Las about reunification...
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I'm more interested in the fact the NX-01 was able to counteract the sensor interference caused by the nebula. That know-how must have been lost by Kirk's day.
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Maybe that Nebula wasn't a very 'strong' nebula?? What ever that means.

The Romulan yes! I like how it now leads to more continuity throughout the series and over Trek as a whole. Poor old Romulans - been wanting reunification for well over 200 years now! [Big Grin]

Ohh, I just thought - maybe the Humans siding with the Vulcans annoyed the Romulans - stopping reunification (by any means necessary) and so though it wise to try and take out the humans to make reunification with Vulcan easier. I'm sure Archer and Enterprise being there and throwing their plans into disarray would have really shaken them up! So they try to take out the Humans only to get everyone to side against them!?!

Also V'Las - do you think he is just one very disillusioned Vulcan!?! Do you think in his own way he thought what he was doing was for the good of Vulcan - for reunification - having misplaced trust in this Romulan fellow - thinking the two worlds would be better together than asunder?

Hmm. I hope they address that.

Did anyone think that the younger dark-haired dark-eyed vulcan in V'Las's office in this episode and the last episode looked sort of like the Vulcan that accompanied Sarek in the episode "Sarek" - not saying that they are the same character maybe just the same... actor? Or they just look alike?

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That guy also looked like Arne Darvin to me (in TOS), but that's not possible...
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quote:
Originally posted by AndrewR:
Did anyone think that the younger dark-haired dark-eyed vulcan in V'Las's office in this episode and the last episode looked sort of like the Vulcan that accompanied Sarek in the episode "Sarek" - not saying that they are the same character maybe just the same... actor? Or they just look alike?

I thouight the same thing last week: I'm almost certain it's the same actor.

I cant figure out weither V'Las is a Romulan (as we know they dont all sport those skull ridges) or just a Vulcan dupe that has zero emotional control.
Really, even if he was human, you'd think him pretty high strung.

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Mark Nguyen
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You know... Come to think of it, the number of actual Romulans we've seen without ridges is fairly low. In TOS, beyond the generally-unnamed Commanders and subordinates, practically everyone was wearing those spiffy helmets (which I'd hope to see sometime, in some variation in ENT). It's possible that the higher-ranked people (and Nanclus from ST6) were altered to screw people around, hint at the long-term plans for reunification, or some other strange reason.

Or, the upcoming Klingon episode's plot could spread to them, too.

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I think he's a Vulcan. I'd wondered the same thing, but the Romulan at the end said "the reunification of our people". Granted, this could technically make sense if they were both Romulans, but I think the writers were assuming V'las is Vulcan.
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I noticed that the way they wanted unification might be the way Sela wants it in 200 years. War torn Vulcan under Romulan rule sort of thing but Sela wanted it with a twist by capturing Vulcan with a peace envoy. I've be watching Unification recently.
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quote:
Originally posted by Topher:
I'm surprised no one's mentioned the Romulan at the end of the episode talking to V'Las about reunification...

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Originally posted by HerbShrump:
I'm more interested in the fact the NX-01 was able to counteract the sensor interference caused by the nebula.

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quote:
Originally posted by HerbShrump:
I'm more interested in the fact the NX-01 was able to counteract the sensor interference caused by the nebula. That know-how must have been lost by Kirk's day.

Not all nebulae are going to have the same affect on the sensors.
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Jason Abbadon
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quote:
Originally posted by cubby14:
I've be watching Unification recently.

I pity you.

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Originally posted by Captain Boh:
quote:
Originally posted by HerbShrump:
I'm more interested in the fact the NX-01 was able to counteract the sensor interference caused by the nebula. That know-how must have been lost by Kirk's day.

Not all nebulae are going to have the same affect on the sensors.
Exactly right: in BOBW, we see a nebula composed of "Dilithium Hydroxils" that fuck with sensors but unless Dilithium is a really common element, most nebulas would be harmless and scannable.

Good thing there's always a handy sensor-scrambling nebula to hide in when the heroes need it. [Wink]

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