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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
From Sci-Fi Wire: http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2001-05/15/12.00.tv
"Some crew members on the upcoming fifth Star Trek series, Enterprise, will wear blue jumpsuit uniforms emblazoned with a starship shoulder patch, sources told SCI FI Wire. The Voyager-like jumpsuits are solid navy-colored with contrasting yoke and shoulder piping in colors designating status or ship's functions, and are completed with a black mock turtleneck, the sources said.
The left shoulder patches will feature a white-on-blue image of the titular starship, which resembles the original Enterprise, the sources said."

They say the title of the first ep is "Broken Bow": http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/art-main.html?2001-05/15/13.00.tv

Hey, Adminstrator! When are you going to give series V its own forum?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
I think adding/deleting forums (or, for that matter, fuckin' with the BBoard in general) will cause the Flare Forums to self-destruct and kill everyone in a fifty-mile radius of a computer.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Do NOT replace the beloved DS9 forum
with that series' forum

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
No, replace the Voyager forum.

You know, AndrewR, why don't you just give the show a chance instead of condeming it before you've even seen it?

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
You know - I should really - I for one HATE how people do this... so yeah - I'm being hippocritical... but... if everyone else bags EVERYTHING before they see it on the net, why can't I for ONCE!!!!!

I just KNOW they are going to

1. Fuck up continuity
2. Make a rehash show
3. Lack originality
4. Change the premise each season - with a MAJOR change around season four just to drag in more viewers
5. Have little or no characterisation
6. Try and make it more action orientated.
7. Won't take risks
8. Be eye-candy instead of brain-candy
9. Ignore they're fans - and I'm talking about their new fans for their own show.
10. Try and ignore Trek
11. say (especially Rick Berman) "this is the closest trek has come to the original series" - oh hang on - he's already said that.
12. Do a lot of 'fan boy' shit - case and point Klingons.
13. Not have smooth head klingons.
14. Have one word titles
15. Be simplistic and trite and treat the audience like children.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
"Try and ignore Trek."

You mind ellaborating?

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Smooth headed Klingons are where TPTB really f-ed up. They should NEVER have addressed that issue in "Trials & Tribbleations." I, for one, DON'T want smooth-headed Klingons. Kor, Kang, and Koloth are pretty cut and dry proof that Klingons don't have have smooth-heads, and DS9 contradicted itself on that one pretty soundly.

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Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :
 
"14. Have one word titles"

As opposed to TNG's wonderful method of having an assload of episodes start with "The?"

Any writer knows the shorter & more descriptive the title, the better.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
The Comprehensive List of TNG titles of either one word or with a "THE" and one other word. Wow. Glad one word titles don't talk to the quality of a series.

Justice
The Battle
Haven
Datalore
1100101
Symbiosis
Conspiracy
The Child
The Dauphin
Contagion
Mahunt
The Emissary
Evolution
The Survivors
The Bonding
The Enemy
The Price
The Defector
The Hunted
The Offspring
Allegiance
Sarek
Family
Brothers
Legacy
Reunion
The Loss
The Wounded
Clues
The Drumhead
The Host
Redemption
Redemption II
Darmok
Disaster
The Game
Unification I
Unification II
Violations
Conundrum
Ethics
The Outcast
Relics
Schisms
Rascals
Aquiel
Tapestry
Lessons
The Chase
Suspicions
Timescape
Descent
Descent pt. II
Liaisons
Interface
Gambit pt. I
Gambit pt. II
Phantasms
Attached
Inheritance
Parallels
The Pegasus
Homeward
Masks
Genesis
Bloodlines
Emergence

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"I think this reason why girls don't do well on multiple choice tests goes all the way back to the Bible, all the way back to Genesis, Adam and Eve. God said, 'All right, Eve, multiple choice or multiple orgasms, what's it going to be?' We all know what was chosen" - Rush Limbaugh, Feb. 23, 1994.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
It seems to me that TNG and DS9 established that smooth-headedness was temporary among Klingons. Since it went away right after TOS, I'm guessing it started not too very long before. So, if ENT has smooth-headed Klingons, they'll be messing things up, not fixing...

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
Maybe it's just me, but if this 24th Century-style uniform report is true, I'm getting a sneaking suspicion that this new show really isn't BOTF! (I admittedly classify myself as an anti-BOTF-er) Changing T'Pau to T'Pal also makes me wonder. Have we all been fooled? Are TPTB so clever? Or is this wishful thinking on my part?

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Ahhhh but - I love the beautiful - imaginative DS9 titles...

also though some of those TNG titles - are great 'single words' for titles - some of the Voyager one's you just TOTALLY forget...

Emanations - good
Nemesis - clich�

Not very imaginative:

Maneuvres
Unity
Remember (All I think about is Star Trek II and III)
Riddles
Drive
Twisted
Displaced
Retrospect
Drone
Bliss
Gravity (Although its a BRILLIANT EPISODE)
Juggernaught
The Fight
The Swarm
The Disease
The Cloud
Initiations
Projections
Investigations
Imperfection
Night
Meld
Rise
Warhead
One
Alice

Imaginative:
Phage
The Thaw
Dreadnaught
Pathfinder
Scorpion
Virtuoso
Memorial
Tsunkatse
Fury
Timeless
The 37's
Cathexis
Prototype
Deadlock
Flashback
The Chute
Parturition
Tuvix
Basics
Coda
The Raven
Deathwish
Lifesigns
Faces
Jetrel


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Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
You people have WAY too much time on your hands...

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Posted by BlueElectron (Member # 281) on :
 
I second that!

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Posted by Teelie (Member # 280) on :
 
I third that.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :
 
I'd fourth that if I had the time.

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Posted by Malnurtured Snay (Member # 411) on :
 
Gotta love the TNG Episode Guide

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
DS9 last seasons had some good episode names (and no, I'm not going to list them )

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
 
What does "BOTF" mean?

Never mind. Birth of the Federation, right?

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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
I BOTF, you BOTF, we BOTF, I have BOTFed.

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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Oh, BOTF outta here! 8)

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
One-Word titles from TOS:
The Apple
Arena
The Cage
Catspaw
Court-Martial (not quite one word, I know)
The Empath
Miri
Obsession

And that's all! Only about 10%. I think TOS titles were usually pretty imaginative and evocative. Of course, 1-word titles for movies weren't as common in the 1960s as they are today.

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Posted by Soontir_Fel on :
 
Don't forget these TOS episodes:

The Menagerie (Parts I and II)
The Changeling
Metamorphosis

You'd also have to triple the number of episodes if we were talking about two word+'the' episodes.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
DS9's would have been even more interesting if they had stuck with that Umbra-Penumbra-Eclipse cycle.

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
Penumbra-Umbra-Eclipse.

Hah.

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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
 
Were all the weird episode titles were Roddenberry's doing, because there doesn't seem to be any in ST anymore. They were cool, made you think about the episode a bit to see where the name came from or what had to be smoked in order to put 2 and 2 together.

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Posted by The Talented Mr. Gurgeh (Member # 318) on :
 
I think it would be more difficult to come up with "cool" titles for the style of Star Trek we see today. For example the mundanity of space station life ( which we all held so dearly ) depicted in DS9 would make it more difficult to choose a title than in, say TOS, where the crew encountered something new and strange each episode. Also, maybe they're just running out of titles.

About the smooth forehead issue, hasn't it been established exactly what the story was? All I remember hearing about it was Worf saying "That is a Klingon matter". The conclusion I drew was that the Klingons cosmetically concealed their appearance in order to get some kind of advantage over the Federation. But this rumour that they'll be in the first ep of the new series, sporting their proper forehead attire screws that theory up because they supposedly crash land on Earth and wouldn't have a chance to alter themselves.
Maybe they could explain it by saying there was some kind of virus that caused the smooth foreheads?

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
The idea that DS9 should have mundane titles is totally wrong. Its has GREAT TITLES. Its not the subject matter, its the writers/producers that decide the titles.

Its also got nothing to do with being one word - or having a 'the' in front. look at "The Changeling" - there is a mythological reference there - a changeling was a baby that was stolen by faeries or something along those lines. Look at what Nomad was...

And the Cage... Not only was Pike put in a Cage... he was and so was the girl - Caged in their minds by the Talosians. The Talosians were in their own Cage by not being able to be incontact with any other races/not able to build anything themselves etc.

Then look at "The Disease" from Voyager... I mean it just described that Harry get's this disease from this alien Chick! SHEESH!

or Basics... not BAD for Voyager but when you think about it, there is no depth - the crew didn't have Voyager - they were stranded they were back to Basics.

Then think about something like "For the World is Hollow and I have Touched the Sky" or "The Visitor" (Melanie and Ben and Jake Ahhhhhh) or "Inter Arna Enim Silent Leges" SP?? Or even "Unnatural Selection" or "DUET"!!!!!!

Hello Voyager with - "The Cloud" ugh.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
So?

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Well, if the episode title doesn't blow you away, it ruins the whole episode.

Oh, wait. No it doesn't.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
No, TSN - thanks for that facetious comment - what I'm trying to say is... that Voyager just gave up on trying to title their episodes... creatively. I'm not talking about the quality of ANY of the episodes... I'm talking about how 'memorable' some of the episode titles are. I noticed it was about the time that Behr/Wolfe/Moore took to being more TOS like and having creative titles to their episodes... it was at this time that I'm SURE Braga went in the complete opposite direction and tried to keep them as short and as sweet as possible

I prefer titles like "All Good Things..." and "The Way of the Warrior" over "Drone" or "Endgame" - Look at Moore's story "The Barge of the Dead" - it evokes a sense of wonder - and you want to see what this episode is about.

It's annoyed me with the Trek films... "The Wrath Of Kahn" and "The Search For Spock" and "The Undiscovered Country" are way better than "Generations" "The Motion Picture" and "Insurrection".

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Yeah, "The Motion Picture", what kind of idiotic, misplaced term is that???

I have never judged an episode title better or worse, creative or boring, I simply accept it and use it for reference so that people know which one I mean. That's what it's for.

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
"Superman: The Movie" came out the previous December, so they went it one better and called it "Star Trek: The Motion Picture." Sounds pretty classy, eh?

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Posted by Xanthi on :
 
My hat goes off to the people with the lists Very impressive

As for title names, Wrongs Darker than Death or Night, has got to be one of my favourites.

I want some of what they were on when they came up with that one
 


Posted by Quartermain on :
 
What's with the Klingon forehead debate?
All the Klingon's in the TOS movies had wrinkled brows.

 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Y'know, there was a whole TV series before those movies. Ever seen one of the Klingons from that?

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
I was going to mention that "The Motion Picture" is a very Classy title... it smacked too much of "2001"'s feel though - the title that is. But appropriate for Trek's first foray onto the Big Screen.

Look, again - I'm not basing an episode's quality on the episode's name - I'm talking about the thoughtfulness, the creativeness, the memorability (is that a word) of the episode titles. "Let He Who Has Sinned" is a great - thought provoking title for an episode compared to "Drone" but one is better than the other (as a whole)...

"Looking for Par'Mach in all the Wrong Places"
"Paper Moon"
"Once More Unto the Breach"
"The Sacrifice of Angels"
"Visionary"

They're pretty good... and they all have multiple connotations. What does "The Cloud" have.

Yes, you're right - episode names help you keep track of the... episodes!!!!! It doesn't help when all the episode names sound similar and aren't very thought provoking.

And what about in TNG, weren't there some samish episode titles?? Code of Honour... A matter of Honour?? What WAS that episode where Riker serves aboard the Klingon ship called? What was the episode where Yar has to battle Yuta??

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Homer: I'm gonna miss Springfield. This town's been awfully good to us.
Bart: No, it hasn't, Dad. That's why we're leaving.
Homer: Oh, yeah. [pokes his head out the window] So long, Stinktown!
 


Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
"Dagger of the Mind" (TOS)
"How Sharper Than a Serpent's Tooth" (TAS)
"The Undiscovered Country" (movies)
"Thine Own Self" (TNG)
"Once More unto the Breach" (DS9)

Macbeth
King Lear
Hamlet
Hamlet
Henry V

VOY is the only series that never named an episode w/ a line from Shakespeare. There's the problem right there... *L*

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
Don't forget "Conscience of the King," an entire episode dealing with Shakespeare! It has a title reference, a troupe of actors, a nutty young woman, a haunted King, and a play within a play.

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
For the curious or bored, here are some literary sources for titles from TOS (info from "Star Trek Concodance"):

Dagger of the Mind - Macbeth
Conscience of the King - Hamlet
Who Mourns for Adonis? - Percy Bysshe Shelley, "Adonais"
Journey to Babel - Genesis 11:1-9
Wolf in the Fold - Lord Byron, "Destruction of Sennachrib"
By Any Other Name - Romeo and Juliet
Bread and Circuses ("Duas tantum res anxius optat, Panem et cencenses") - Juvenal, "Satires"
And the Children Shall Lead - Isaiah 11:6
Is There in Truth No Beauty? - George Herbert, "The Temple" (1633)
Day of the Dove - Matthew 10:16
Elaan of Troyius - The Iliad (sort of)
Whom Gods Destroy - Euripedes, "Phraxis"
Mark of Gideon - Judges 7:2
That Which Survives - Percy Bysshe Shelley, "Ozymandias"
Requiem for Methuselah - Genesis 5:27
The Cloud Minders - Ecclesiates 11:4
All Our Yesterdays - Macbeth
The Undiscovered Country - Hamlet (TUC is actually death, not the future.)

TAS
Yesteryear - Richard II
The Lorelei Signal - legend, poem by Heinrich Heine
Eye of the Beholder - Lew Wallace, "The Prince of India"
BEM - science fiction term for "bug-eyed monster"
How Sharper Than a Serpent's Tooth - King Lear

What I think this shows is that the people who wrote and produced TOS and TAS were very well read. Not like the TV babies who are producing Star Trek now.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Maybe this shows up the Voyager writing staff's background in literature... not very much. That'd explain their tired stories.

Remember how I mentioned about a Star Trek TOS Season 1 marathon over Easter - that was so cool... I had seen Conscience of the King Before - and was pretty board by it - that was like 5 years ago. When I saw it over Easter - and after watching about 10 previous episodes - you get into the feel of Trek (I had only caught TOS sporadically before hand) - and you realise what a FUCKING awesome episode that it was. The whole scene with the Daughter and the Father and her going completely nuts... it was... Shakespearean indeed.

Andrew

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Posted by Treknophyle (Member # 509) on :
 
I was watching the original series back in the sixties (okay - so I was only 8...

I was captivated (mon said that only it and Walter Cronkite could hold an.8 year-ol's attention span for more than 15 minutes).

As I grew up - high school, college), I never tired of it. Ask any of the original Trekkie generation (those of us still around). 3 years of episodes (some stinkers), and there was enough sense of wonder and excitement to keep Trek fandom alive for decades.

I think that says something about the writing quality compared to anything which has come since. And yes, I do watch all of the other series and movies - some with a sense of awe, some with interest, and some just to keep up on "current events".

BTW: Every old TOS fan knows why Klingons now have bumpy foreheads. Kirk kicked them in the ass so hard, their backbones were shoved up and over the top of their skulls - becoming frontbones.

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
Good God! Another old fart testifying how TOS changed his life. Welcome to the club, brother!

I too am a paleo-TOS fan. I vividly remember watching Trek in color in the 1960s after my parents bought our first color set to see the Mexico City Olympics and the space program. I forced my parents to drive me to Minneapolis to see a Trek slide show given by DC Fontana when I was about 10 years old. I dressed as Spock for Halloween several times. I've been drawing starships ever since.

For those of you who were introduced to Trek through later incarnations may find it hard to understand what an amazing thing Star Trek was when it first came on. It was epic, colorful, adventurous, idealistic, romantic, and very innovative, unlike anything we had ever seen on TV or the movies. It wasn't just the techology, which was, of course, very cool for the time. I can't say that I completely understood the depth of the stories, but I was definitely hooked. I wish you all had the chance to see Star Trek as I first saw it in 1967.

I think the overall quality of the 78 TOS episodes would have been enough to sustain 35 years of fandom, perhaps even without the subsequent movies and series. I don't want to sound like an arrogant old TOS-head geezer (too late!), but I still compare every new show to TOS, to see if it gives me that same charge. Would Star Trek be still be going on if the first show had been Voyager, TNG, or DS9? Who knows? That question is probably impossible to answer since everything that came after was built on the foundation laid by TOS. But TOS certainly left an enormous impression on those who saw it when they were young. Do kids today wish they were Capt. Janeway or Sisko. Do girls fall in love with Tuvok or Chakotay?

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
I would humbly suggest that TOS's success had more to do with it being the only game in town as far as serious science fiction adventure drama went.

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Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
 
I agree that it wasn't the serious SF that attracted me. My previous favorite show was Fireball XL-5. I was only 6 or 7 when I first saw Star Trek. I'm just thankful that I didn't get fixated or imprinted on Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.

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Posted by Xanthi on :
 
Well the first Star Trek episode I ever saw was Parturition (Voyager). Prior to that I would have been one of those people who wanted Star Trek gone off our TVs forever. But after watching that episode I realised how insightful the show really was. Most TV shows or movies about the future and space exploration portrayed it in a negative light but Star Trek was the complete opposite.

After that I was totally hooked. Even though I was still in high school I would stay up till midnight just so I could watch it. I never missed an episode from that time on. My love of Voyager led to an interest in DS9 which only grew through the years (I think the 6th season of DS9 had some of the best episodes ever), and also the Next Generation and the Original Series.

Voyager introduced me to it so I think it will always remain my favourite but now I have an appreciation for all things Trek.
As for being in love with Chakotay or Tuvok, maybe not, I was (and sometimes am) in love with Tom Paris instead

Just my thoughts
 


Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Well, I'm sure that'll make some of the blokes here feel better about only watching the show because they fancy Seven. 8)

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Hey, Kira and Jadzia and Ezri aren't chop sui...

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Homer: I'm gonna miss Springfield. This town's been awfully good to us.
Bart: No, it hasn't, Dad. That's why we're leaving.
Homer: Oh, yeah. [pokes his head out the window] So long, Stinktown!
 


Posted by Omega (Member # 91) on :
 
Mmmm... Ezri...

*drool*

Andrew:

Then look at "The Disease" from Voyager... I mean it just described that Harry get's this disease from this alien Chick!

Yes, the disease in question being romantic infatuation. It's one of those things that can be taken two different ways, and thus a half-way creative title, though attached to an utterly crappy ep.

I like the titles on "Andromeda". They're almost always taken from old, little-known poems. "It's Hour Come 'Round at Last," "Under the Night," "An Affirming Flame." 'Course, then you have "Fear and Loathing in the Milky Way"...

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"I don't attempt it. I wait for demonstrations. They inevitably surpass my imagination."
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Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
Best titles have to be on the X-Files - always totally obscure. Early Voyager (seasons 1 & 2) started off that way, but got less imaginative over time.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
The Cloud!?!

Although

Caretaker
Ex Post Facto
Eye of the Needle
Phage
Time and Again
Heroes and Demons
Emenations
Elogium
Faces
Jetrel
Learning Curve
The 37's
Parturition
Cathexis
Prime Factors
State Of Flux
Non Sequitur
Persistance of Vision
Coldfire
Tattoo

here is where they turn into those insipid one word titles... with little charm

Initiations
Projections
Investigations
Resolutions
Maneuvres
Resistance
Remember
Alliances
Threshold
Meld

Then we do get a few nice ones back... Tuvix, The Thaw, Deadlock and Deathwish.

Look at this:

Initiations
Projections
Investigations
Resolutions
Emanations
Revulsion

a nice gap without the 'ions'

Then season seven:

Imperfection
Repression

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Homer: I'm gonna miss Springfield. This town's been awfully good to us.
Bart: No, it hasn't, Dad. That's why we're leaving.
Homer: Oh, yeah. [pokes his head out the window] So long, Stinktown!
 


Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :
 
You see my point. 8)

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"If Morden is afraid of green penguins, and Draal is shown to have
access to them, a speculation would be that Draal will use them
against Morden in the future. However if Draal only has a purple
moose, saying that he could use it against Morden would be a story
idea."

- rastb5m FAQ

Phasers
 


Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
"Contagion"
"Evolution"
"Reunion"
"Redemption"
"Unification"
"Violations"
"Suspicions"
Generations
Insurrection

"Emanations"
"Initiations"
"Projections"
"Parturition"
"Investigations"
"Resolutions"
"Revulsion"
"Imperfection"
"Repression"

I don't see the problem. VOY didn't use "-ion" any more often than TNG. Maybe even less so, if they name ST10 like that.

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-a friend of mine, looking at a Lexus brochure
 


Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
Name ST10 like what?

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- Swiss Toni, The Fast Show (British comedy show)
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Posted by Xanthi on :
 
Okay I'm going to stray off track a little here but anyway!

I don't know why people are so bothered by the fact that the Klingons in TOS had smooth human like foreheads and now they have much larger foreheads [with ridges etc etc].

I mean one of the main reasons I'm sure is the fact that the show didn't have so much money to spend on makeup etc back then where as now they can afford more. So they look different - so what?

If that bothers you, then shouldn't the fact that the Trills in TNG looked so much different to the ones in DS9 bother you too? But no one ever mentions it. Always with the Klingons! For that matter the Bajorans looked a little different in the early days too.

I think if anything should irritate people it should be those races[not the Klingons from TOS]. At least they had their budget as an excuse, as for the other races I can see no real acceptable reason.

On a similar matter, does anyone remember a little case of Klingons having pink [or purple if you will] blood for about 1 movie?

Hmmm. I've just learnt to accept these things. Sometimes I think the writers have no idea.

Anyway! Thats my piece. Agree or disagree. Thats up to you


 


Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
Xanthi: Did you never see "Trials and Tribble-ations"?

Prakesh: If they name it w/ a single word that ends in "-ion".

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Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
 
As far as the episode titles debate goes. There one reason why DS9 suddenly adopted interesting titles in the last couple of seasons:

Babylon 5. Yes. They were inspiring by scribe and poet alike JMS at Babylon 5 who had the most beautiful and poetic titles. If you don't believe me, check 'em out and compare...

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http://www.trekmania.net
 


Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
INT. PARAMOUNT OFFICES - DS9 WRITING STAFF MEETING. AFTERNOON.

IRA STEPHEN BEHR is sitting behind a desk. On the couch to the left are RENE ECHEVARRIA and RON MOORE. We join them mid-conversation

BEHR
...But honestly people, we need suggestions.

MOORE
Let's be serious though, Ira, how urgent could the situation be, anyway?

BEHR
Well, Rick says the suits are incensed. (a beat) We're losing Nielsons, guys. The budget for the season finale may be taking a hit...

ECHEVARRIA
Ouch.

MOORE
What sort of numbers are we dealing with?

BEHR
They're pulling in 1.7s.

Moore whistles softly.

MOORE
They've closed within 60% of our ratings already?

BEHR
I know. Scary, huh?

ECHEVARRIA
I'll say. (a beat.) Well, I'm open to suggestions for tweaking my scripts. Maybe we could just hold off for a couple of days and try to flesh them out a bit more?

MOORE
More Klingons? I mean, I could rewrite my current script to feature Klingons swooping in a screaming "get the hell off our planet!"

BEHR
The Risa one?

MOORE
Yeah.

BEHR
I say leave it alone. It's working as-is.

Echevarria nods.

MOORE
What are you leaning towards, Ira?

BEHR
Well, perhaps we should ask ourselves what they've got that we haven't got...

ECHEVARRIA
Koenig.

Behr shakes his head.

BEHR
I've asked. He says he won't do Chekov.

ECHEVARRIA
Then what about a new role? Like, the head of some elite Federation black ops program or something. Something sinister.

MOORE
I like the sound of that... We could call it... Section 28? Something nasty like that.

BEHR
I think we're missing the point. I mean, look who we're up against. He's... well, he's...

ECHEVARRIA
A poet.

BEHR
Exactly.

MOORE (chiming in)
Yeah. He contributed to a compendium of haikus with George Lucas and Chris Carter. Damn, those guys are good.

ECHEVARRIA (resolutely)
It's what we're up against. We've gotta rise to the occasion.

BEHR
Well, um, let's take one of the cast... say, O'Brien, and posess him with an alien virus... and force him to write poetry in his quarters all day and all night...

MOORE (interrupting)
...It could be like an alien legacy story... It could be their Beowulf, their Homer... and the race could be extinct, and the virus could be their little way of ensuring that their cultural history survives...

ECHEVARRIA (interrupting)
The Inner Light, Ron

Moore isn't paying attention

MOORE (continuing)
...But meanwhile, the virus is driving O'Brien insane... and he's about to die... And Bashir finds out a way to remove the virus from his friend's system but is split between doing that and saving O'Brien's life or risking it and seeing whether O'Brien can finish the story.

BEHR
Throw in a B-plot about Worf wanting to adopt a puppy and we might have enough for a two-parter. (a beat.) It might do it. This could be big.

ECHEVARRIA
We could call up the UPN marketing people Voyager uses and make sure we get a real kick-ass promo for it.

BEHR
But...

MOORE (incredulous)
But?

BEHR
...well, the best we could hope for having it ready by would be May Sweeps. We need to implement something now or else there mightn't BE a show by May Sweeps.

The gravity of what he has just said sinks in on the other two. There's a long pasuse, and Echevarria looks up.

ECHEVARRIA
Titles.

BEHR (sternly)
We've been over the entire thing about the drum backbeat before. It's staying.

ECHEVARRIA
No, not the opening credits... episode titles.

MOORE (catching on.)
Theirs kick our ass. I mean, "The Deconstruction of Falling Stars." That's sends shivers down my spine.

Echevarria nods in agreement.

BEHR
Remember when we fought over whether to name it "The Jem'Hadar" or "Dominion"... perhaps we should have gone with something longer. Like...

MOORE
"Let He Who is Without Sin"

BEHR
I like that. From the Bible, right?

MOORE
Yeah... I mean, like, Eris is without sin, but Quark isn't... and Jake and Nog are like the brothers of Simon Peter.

ECHEVARRIA
Well, no use arguing about an epsiode who aired years ago.

BEHR
True enough. But what do you guys say we go all out and put poetic titles on everything? Maybe that'll stop him from stealing any more than a quarter-percent or so more of our audience.

ECHEVARRIA (excitedly)
That might do it...

MOORE
Well, let's start with my Risa episode.

BEHR
I dunno... How about "Inter Arma Enim Silent Leges?"

ECHEVARRIA
No... just doesn't fit the material. How about we save it for later? (a beat.) That biblical one was kinda cool though, Ron...

MOORE
Then "Let He Is Who Without Sin" it is...

END OF ACT I

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
LOL! Sarcasm: The Motion Picture

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Homer: I'm gonna miss Springfield. This town's been awfully good to us.
Bart: No, it hasn't, Dad. That's why we're leaving.
Homer: Oh, yeah. [pokes his head out the window] So long, Stinktown!
 


Posted by Holodeck Corp (Member # 618) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by Masao:
will wear blue jumpsuit uniforms emblazoned with a starship shoulder patch

Thank goodness. As soon as I heard about the series being placed before TOS I started to wonder how many episodes or how many minutes into the pilot it would be before the first red shirt would die.
 


Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
Anyone ever read Trimble's Concordance?
It also lists the names of episodes in other languages. The Japanese titles, translated back to English, are very funny:

The Man Trap - A Bloodsucking Monster on Planet M-113
Charlie X - A Boy from the Planet Tharsus
The Enemy Within - Two Kirks
Dagger of the Mind - The Lunatic from Devil's Island
Miri - 400 year old girl
The Devil in the Dark - Horta: The Underground Monster
The Changeling - Secret of Nomad, Ultra-Small Spaceship

And my favorite:
The Paradise Syndrome - Coming Close to Crash Course with an Asteroid
 


Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Those are all surprisingly sensical.
 
Posted by Tech Sergeant Chen (Member # 350) on :
 
Sensical? More like prosaic. Certainly not poetic like some of the original titles.

As for the uniforms, I'd like to see them really break with the ST past. How about some good, old-fashioned buttons and visible zippers? Nothing wrong with them, and if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Or as Dorothy might say, "buttons and zippers and snaps, oh my!"
 


Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
Zippers and pockets have been confirmed in a few places. Dorothy should be happy.
 
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
400 year old girl... that sounds like a good title name...
 
Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
 
BTW, was the Nomad probe really 'Ultra-Small'??
 
Posted by Tech Sergeant Chen (Member # 350) on :
 
quote:
Originally posted by The_Tom:
Zippers and pockets have been confirmed in a few places. Dorothy should be happy.

Sources? I know about pockets, going back to the field jackets of TWoK. But while zippers were always used in the uniforms, they were always concealed to look like something futuristic. And I've never seen buttons. They used snaps, too, in the classic TWoK uniforms, but they felt the need to camouflage them with silver braid for when the jacket flaps were left open.

I want to see the real, unembellished fasteners. Again, if it still works, why not use them? What would be the advantage of some high-tech 22rd century fastener over a plain zipper? Airtightness, maybe, but that wouldn't help with a shipboard jumpsuit.
 


Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
Well, unofficial reports of what the uniforms look like have swirled around for several weeks, and jumpsuits with prominent zippers and pockets has been a consistent thread. Official word confirmed these last week.
 
Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
 
The cadet movie uniforms also had poctets. Actually, don't some of the modern jumpsuits have combat-trouser like leg pocters?

To be fair about JMS, when his titles were good, they were good "Deconstruction of Falling Stars, Falling towards Apothesis" etc. But, by season 5, we'd gotten to the point where he'd run out of variations on "light" and "dark" and "war". I'd have trouble putting season 5 titles to episodes. Actually, I'd have slight trouble doing that to some season 4 episodes, but that is probably due to the fact that by late season 4, there were rarely individual episode stories. Still, season 5 titles were largely "The darkness in the shadows with war at night".

I do agree with faux-Echevarria about one thing. I couldn't stand that drum-beat.
 


Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
 
About the Enterprise title, I emailed Doug Drexler as to why they omitted Star Trek from it and here's what he said...
quote:
In answer to your question:

1) Star Trek: Enterprise sounds like a company that sells Trek merchandise.



 
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
Holy Sh*T! You have Doug Drexler's email address? Why don't you email him about those damn ships he drew for the DS9 Tech Manual to see if he based them on actual models he saw, or if he has photos?
 
Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
 
I'm pretty sure that his email address has been available for a while, and that the ships were not based on models.
 
Posted by Dukhat (Member # 341) on :
 
In an email response I received from Okuda, the VFX department had gotten together and built several kitbashed models for the "Dominion battle aftermath." Of all the models, though, only the Centaur and the Curry were seen in the show. I had asked Mike if Drexler's drawings were based on the other unused models, since there were already two drawings which were loosely based on the Centaur and the Curry. Okuda said he thought they were.
 
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
I would guess models were involved in Drexler's drawings, but probably not the original models. After all, look at the Curry's huge nacelles. That's exactly what would happen if the model-kit Constitution-II nacelles were stuck on bits from an Excelsior model, from what I've heard. The fact that they're sideways suggests that the original model wasn't used, though, since the original clearly had them the normal way.
 


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