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Heard a few tidbits of interesting technical information throughout the show...
Voyager's emergency crew capacity is around 320 extra people based on the 17 trips for 5,500 people.
The Phoenix most probably did have a type of antimatter based warp drive due to the short timeframe between the Phoenix and Friendship 1 and we know the probe had antimatter based drives.
I wonder how big the probe was supposed to be? Paris makes a comment he's going to store it in the Delta Flyer's cargo compartment, but I'm assuming he meant whatever pieces he found. I got the impression, but not sure that it would have to be roughly the size of the Phoenix, I doubt they had miniaturzied the warp technology down to a small size within only 4 years.
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Since they had the foresight to take those transporter boosters along, I think the intent was to beam Friendship One aboard Voyager ... and not onto the Delta Flyer.
The extra-personnel capacity of Voyager seems unrealistic to me. I don't think the Federation designs ships which can't be used for large-scale evacuations -- never knowing what class starship could be where at any given time, you'd want each ship to be able to move as many people as possible. When you consider the crew doubling, tripling, or quadrupling up in quarters, and transfering the cargo bays, shuttle bays, etcetra, into refuge "camps" ... I find that number ridiculously small, actually, especially given Voyager relatively small crew size.
I would guess the Vulcans helped Earth out with the antimatter. Of course, how was Cochrane's Phoenix powered? Did he use anti-matter?
Another Kirk reference!
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I thought the transport boosters were because of the radiation interference (did they quote this?) And Paris' comment was specifically "to the Delta Flyer." We did see it burn up in the atmosphere so I guess there wouldn't be that much intact anyway (except for the crazy titanium music box
Jeff K "I would guess the Vulcans helped Earth out with the antimatter. Of course, how was Phoenix powered? Did he use anti-matter?" That was sort of my point in my original post...assuming the short timeframe between Phoenix and Friendship 1 and the similarity in design, it wouldn't be too far of a stretch to assume the Phoenix was antimatter powered.
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Maybe they brought the transporter boosters in case more of Friendship One was around then they thought? If they were going to beam it aboard Voyager, they'd need the boosters, right?
"Damn, I thought we'd only have a few scraps..."
"Looks like we'll have something to fill the shuttle-bay now..."
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Only 320 people? Perhaps they need to bring lots of cargo or something... 320 + 146 = 466, just a mite over the E-nil - and Voyager has much more volume, of course.
Mark
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And of course there's the "conveniently forgotten technology from last week" syndrome. Given stasis tech shown in "Unnatural Selection" [TNG], Voyager should have been able to freeze the survivors and stack them up like logs in the shuttle bay.
I agree that "Friendship One" is basically the nail in the coffin for any theory that antimatter drives weren't used until much later - e.g. my theory that "breaking the time barrier" means replacing a W<3 fusion-plasma drive with a W>3-capable antimatter drive.
Oh well, that's life. Gotta update some pages.
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I don't recall the temporal coordinates for First Contact, but the ability to generate (and contain) small amounts of antimatter isn't too hard to believe.
After all, the Phoenix was only going at Warp 1 for a few seconds. When I have the time (and if I can get access to the mass figures for the Phoenix), I will calculate the amount of antimatter needed (it's a fairly easy equation). Could someone get the exact amount of time the ship was in warp? Does anyone (some of you must know structural engineering) know the mass/volume ratio for titanium?
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quote:Only 320 people? Perhaps they need to bring lots of cargo or something... 320 + 146 = 466, just a mite over the E-nil - and Voyager has much more volume, of course.
Voyager isn't that much biggerthan the Ent-nil. It is slightly longer, but it is also very flat.
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That's mostly because of the lack of a neck section. Voyager more than makes up for this with its lateral hull shape - compared to the Connie, Intrepids are disgustingly plump.
Mark
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The problem isn't that Cochrane didn't have access to anitmatter. The problem is that he didn't have access to dilithium. Without it, he couldn't regulate the reaction, and... KABLAMMO!!!
I always figured the Vulcans had dilithium, so they introduced us to it and all Earth warpships after the Phoenix were M/A-powered.
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The density of Ti6-Al-4V titanium (common aerospace Ti) is 4.43 g/cc or 276.5 lb/ft^3. But keep in mind, the forward section of the Phoenix was the titanium portion. The Titan rocket body was probably composites and aluminum. I suppose you could find a Titan (wasn't it supposed to be a Titan rocket body?) weight and add the forward section of the Phoenix, still doesn't account for the weight of the warp drive tho.
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Well, it's OT, but here's a comparison of the Intrepid and the Constitution. The Intrepid is indeed quite a bit bigger. The primary hull is larger (taller, thicker) and the secondary hull is longer.
About the AM-engine, perhaps it was built with cooperation of the Vulcans or something like that.
Unfortunately, this is just one more reason why I fear that a prequel series will be the death of Trek.
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We're not talking volume here people, we're talking the limits of the life-support system. This is a ship that presumably still has the energy shortage that restricts matter replication, they can't have inexhaustible life-support capacity.
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I had thought it generally accepted that over the last couple of years, the energy shortage had become negligible. When was the last time anyone even mentioned replicator rations? Neelix still cooks, but I suspect it's as much to give him something to do as to compliment the replicator's standard menu.
I remember reading a producer's report somewhere that they'd deliberately stopped worrying about Voyager's enerfy/food/logistics situation, as they'd generally grown tired of it (pretty much after "Demon", when they refueled). Plus, (friendly) high-tech civilizations abound over the last few years, unlike the wackbard species they first ran into. It'd be much easier to trade or share stuff with Voyager if it didn't matter as much technologically speaking.
Anyway, with this being so I'd think that Voyager should be at near-peak performance. The low passenger count is evidence against this, of course, but given the lack of evidence in recent times it's less substantive in my book, and just another example of writing without backing it up like we would.
Mark
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