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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dat: [QB] Tis here. http://flareupload.pleh.net/uploads/302/HoodBowAngle.jpg [/QB][/QUOTE]
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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,5,8,18,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 08, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:22 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> In <a href="http://flare.solareclipse.net/ultimatebb.php/topic/6/2384.html" target="_blank">this thread</a>, <b>Masaki</b> posted a link to an article on his site containing an image of the <i>Excelsior</i> studio model during production of "Encounter at Farpoint." The image showed the model in STIII configuration (simple bridge, single impulse deflection crystal) labeled as the <i>U.S.S. Hood</i> with a registry of NCC-2541. The links no longer work, however, and I was wondering if anybody had saved this picture and could post it. I thought that I had it on my HD but apparently I was mistaken. Any help is much appreciated.<br /><br />Since I have now started a thread dealing with the <i>Hood</i> and its aberrant registry numbers, and since I was just taking screenshots from "Sacrifice of Angels" (DS9), <a href="http://flareupload.pleh.net/uploads/646/soa_hood.jpg" target="_blank">here</a> for the record is a clear shot of the CGI <i>Hood</i> mislabeled with the registry number of the <i>U.S.S. Lakota</i>, NCC-42768.<br /><br />-<b>MMoM</b> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dat</b> <br /><small>Member # 302</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,5,8,19,58,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 08, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:58 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Tis here.<br /><a href="http://flareupload.pleh.net/uploads/302/HoodBowAngle.jpg" target="_blank">http://flareupload.pleh.net/uploads/302/HoodBowAngle.jpg</a> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,5,8,20,51,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 08, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:51 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Thanks! For a moment I was worried that it would disappear forever like all those <i>Trinculo</i> pictures... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Lee</b> <br /><small>Member # 393</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,5,9,1,8,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 09, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:08 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> How can you possibly make out the name or registry in that SoA shot? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,5,9,1,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 09, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:23 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I admit that it would be hard if we didn't already know them from the Digital Muse people and David Stipes, but they're pretty recognizable given the prior confirmation. Additionally, you have to remember that the shot is a JPEG compression of a bitmap image taken through PowerDVD. Some resolution is inevitably lost.<br /><br />-<b>MMoM</b> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="biggrin.gif" /> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>newark</b> <br /><small>Member # 888</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,5,9,1,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 09, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:46 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Since the registry is not assigned to any other ship, could the <i>USS Hood NCC-2541</i> be viewed as a precursor to the later <i>USS Hood NCC-42296</i> ? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,5,9,1,59,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 09, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:59 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The only reason I'd hesitate would be that NCC-2541 is already <i>USS Sur Cha</i> <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="smile.gif" /> <br /><br />Then again, SotSF fans also have the <i>Repulse/Alor</i> problem with NCC-2544...<br /><br />All in all, I'd think Starfleet would order more than one <i>Excelsior</i> in the 2280s. However, we'd then have to assume that the "Great Experiment" title only applied to NX-2000 and not to her sister ships, since it would be idiotic to build more than one experiment of that magnitude before finding out whether it works or not. (This regardless of whether it did work or not - I'm all open to the interpretation that transwarp was a splendid success overall, and became a standard feature by the turn of the century, but that still wouldn't excuse the building of all those four-digit <i>Excelsiors</i> to experimental specs.)<br /><br />The two-registry <i>Hood</i> would be our first real example of Starfleet reusing a name within a class, the <i>Defiant</i> being the second. No reason why they shouldn't do that, though. <br /><br />Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>newark</b> <br /><small>Member # 888</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,5,9,2,7,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 09, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:07 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Timo,<br /><br />Have you forgotten the reuse of the name <i>USS Saratoga</i> for <i>Miranda-Class</i> starships? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,5,9,2,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 09, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:10 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Or <i>Enterprise</i> for the <i>Constitution</i> refit? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jason Abbadon</b> <br /><small>Member # 882</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,5,10,21,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 10, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:24 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Or <i>Oooga Booga</i> for the <i>Witchdoctor</i> class?<br />It's there in background of SOA (about four pixels across in for two seconds).<br /><br />I just think it both odd and cool that the <i>Excelsior</i> has three versions that went into production.<br /><br />Makes all those <i>Miranda</i> varinats and kitbashes a bit more palatable. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Timo</b> <br /><small>Member # 245</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,5,12,6,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 12, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:00 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I deliberately chose to exclude the special "E" case, and did admittedly forget about the two <i>Mirandas</i> - although the latter weren't identical designs, like the <i>Hoods</i> and <i>Defiants</i> were.<br /><br />There could be another reason to consider the <i>Saratogas</i> a slightly different case: the second <i>Defiant</i> was a successor to the first, and so far we can argue that the second <i>Hood</i> also replaced the first, but the second <i>Saratoga</i> seems to have been launched decades after the demise of the first one. That is, unless the first ship survived the ST4 calamity and continued service until well into the 24th century.<br /><br />Frankly, I'm delighted that the <i>Excelsiors</i> show as much variety as they do, although the TNG stock footage doesn't quite let us canonically argue that the NX-2000 configuration really remained in use in the TNG era (the distinguishing features aren't visible from the stock footage shooting angles). It would have been nice to see the <i>Miranda</i> model "modernized" in a similar manner when it was introduced to the TNG era...<br /><br />Timo Saloniemi <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,5,13,22,12,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 13, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:12 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Hey, Dat, do you have the other images from that article as well, perchance? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>MrNeutron</b> <br /><small>Member # 524</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,5,13,22,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 13, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:36 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It's also possible that the Excelsior was a stock "new" starship hull with special engines and systems, just one oddball variant out of a set of ships of the same general design. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Mighty Monkey of Mim</b> <br /><small>Member # 646</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,5,13,22,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 13, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:47 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'd say that the designation "FIRST STARSHIP OF HER CLASS" on the <i>Excelsior's</i> <a href="http://cdeath.zoomph.net/monkeyofmim/Shiplist/Starfleet/excelsior_plaque.jpg" target="_blank">dedication plaque</a> and the term "<i>Excelsior</i>-class" being used in "Family" (TNG) and on the <i>Enterprise</i>-B's <a href="http://cdeath.zoomph.net/monkeyofmim/Shiplist/Starfleet/enterpriseB_plaque.jpg" target="_blank">plaque</a> would tend to run against that reasoning. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dat</b> <br /><small>Member # 302</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2005,5,14,18,27,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 14, 2005</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:27 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim:<br /><strong> Hey, Dat, do you have the other images from that article as well, perchance? </strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">I think I still do, but I'll need to dig around my hard drive. <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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