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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Timo: [QB] I trust the Botany Bay would have been capable of traversing at least one sector-length (20 ly Sternbachially) if its nuclear power source was feeding an impulse engine similar to those used in the later vessels. We know that impulse engines last changed in the 2160s or so (Geordi spoke of 200 years in "Relics"), but perhaps the preceding designs weren't all that inferior to the 2160s model? Also, the Enterprise would most likely have been capable of towing other ships at warp speeds. Many races have demonstrated this ability in TOS and in other shows, and there's nothing explicit to say that such towing was beyond Starfleet's abilities. So SB 12 could be far away from the area of discovery. We know SB 12 is near Pollux, judging by "Who Mourns For Adonais", so Khan might have been heading in this direction. I still don't see how "Where No Man" or "Metamorphosis" would put warp speed into the 1990s. Sure, they do that if one assumes that they took place about half a century earlier than Okuda dating puts them. But the case for such dating doesn't seem to be any stronger than that for Okuda dating - these episodes themselves certainly never mention any fixed dates, only relative ones. Finally, liftoff of an intact DY-100 should be an easy feat for the kind of rocketry that launched Cochrane's Phoenix. One could say that Cochrane's technology was superior to that of the 1990s; or one could say that the DY-100s had access to this same technology. The Saturn V was based on the best one could do by burning kerosene. A simple upgrade to air-breathing technology and more energetic fuels would step up the capacity, not to mention forgetting about oxidizers and chemical reactions altogether and going straight for fission heating or somesuch. Timo Saloniemi [/QB][/QUOTE]
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