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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Timo: [QB] It was never clearly stated if Cochrane invented the first warp drive in the region near Earth, or simply the first warp drive on Earth. He was simply credited as "the inventor of warp drive" by both Kirk and Picard. What is clear is that Cochrane was not the first person or creature to invent warp drive in our galaxy, or even within a thousand lightyears of Earth. This is proven by the existence of ancient warp-capable cultures seen or spoken of in many episodes. True, the earliest warp drives *canonically* and *explicitly* mentioned would only be from post-Cochrane times - but we can safely expect, say, the Tkon or the Borg or the Dominion to have had warp drive (or something better) a long time ago, since they controlled interstellar empires in the distant past already. And they most probably used starships, not Iconian-style gateways, since the Iconians are mentioned as rather an exception to the norm. Now a long rant about Vulcans and warp: The Vulcans wouldn't have needed a warp drive to travel from Vulcan to Earth. Vulcan is supposedly a relatively nearby star (unconfirmed material puts it at 40 Eridani, just a dozen lightyears away, and TMP sort of confirms the distance estimate, if one in turn accepts the unconfirmed TOS warp formula of v=c*wf^3), and Vulcans live long and prosper and can mind their manners during years-long space voyages. But the Vulcans we saw WOULD have needed a warp drive in order to rapidly respond to their observation of Cochrane's warp experiment. That is, unless they were already deep in the Sol system when Cochrane flew. But it was claimed they were not interested in Earth, and were only "passing". One does not "pass" through solar systems if one doesn't have a warp drive - one is forced to take the most direct route to the eventual destination, and direct routes in space do NOT accidentally pass through solar systems (space is far too empty for such incredible coincidences to happen). So either the Vulcans did have warp and were passing at some distance - or they did not have warp and were already on Earth's doorstep, and blatantly lied to us about their former disinterest in Earth. Or perhaps they were interested in Martians or Venusians instead? And in any case, the Vulcans were capable of observing the warp experiment, and identifying it for what it was. That means they had to understand at least something about warp physics to observe the warp signature - or alternatively, they had to keep conventional instruments crosshaired on Cochrane's ship and then observe its sudden FTL displacement. The latter seems quite improbable: even if the Vulcans were intensively spying on Earth, and noticed our first space launch after the war and kept monitoring it, it's a HUGE coincidence that they would catch the event if they were just "passing by". So again it boils down to two possibilities: either they had warp, or they blatantly lied about the "passing" and "disinterest" parts. Timo Saloniemi [/QB][/QUOTE]
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