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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Got a request to repost this one, so here it is.

(Ok, not so much a request as I forced someone into hearing about my wacko theories, and needed to put up my visual representation.)

This one hasn't been updated, though. There's a new one on the way though, promise.

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Posted by Simon on :

According to this scheme why would the Federation view warp 10 as the limit of their current technology?

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Um...because warp 10 is infinite speed and therefore (mostly) impossible.

Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

The old Warp 10 problem: While Warp 1-9 seem to refer to physical or technical barriers (see energy vs. Warp factor diagram: http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/treknology/warptable.gif ), the definition Infinite=Warp 10 is arbitrary. The speed range between Warp 9 and 10 could be numbered Warp 9 - Warp 100 or anything else. The current scale just expresses there is no more peak transitional threshold above Warp 9 with the current propulsion technology. If there will be PTTs again with transwarp, the scale might be changed accordingly (All Good Things?). In Sol's diagram the upper transwarp domain might be Warp 10 - Warp 19 and the lower domain Warp 20 - Warp 29, for instance, depending on the number of PTTs (if there are any).

Sol: Maybe you should replace "Warp 10" with "Infinite speed", so it will be universally valid.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

Well, I made the diagram up to fit in with the current warp scheme. But it wouldn't hurt to add a "Warp 10=sideways 8" to it.

Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :

Ladies and gentlemen, the long awaited peek at the contents of the Millennium dome!

Do you dare walk to the centre??!!?!!!

This is what I mean, BTW:
Whereizzit?!

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[This message was edited by Montgomery on May 26, 1999.]

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

*guesses you have to know what this "Millennium Dome" is to understand the joke*

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

*LOL*

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

I want to know. Otherwise I'll come up with my own explanation: The Millennium Dome is a 3D representation of Sol's warp chart, and the reciprocal roof steepness is proportional to the warp speed.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

I've been found out!

Sol System: Rogue Architect. I like the sound of that.

My design secret.

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[This message was edited by Sol System on May 27, 1999.]

Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :

Ah, so THAT's what your voice sounds like Sol. Sounds a bit English.

The warp speed chart (if I remember) shows an exponentially increasing curve. The difference between Warp 1-2 is far far smaller than that between 8-9. That said, there must be a reason why it was worked out that way. Don't the energies required drop greatly at each warp factor, increase over the various points, then drop back down at the next warp factor? For instance, isn't warp 6.9 more energy intensive than warp 7? If so, are their these energy droops at any speed between Warp 9 and 10?

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Liam: Your description of the warp energy requirement graph is correct, but I don't recall whether or not there are any peaks between 9 and 10...

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

There are none, as I pointed out above, and this is exactly why everything above Warp 9 does not fit into the scale and is arbitrary. Above Warp 9 there doesn't seem to be a physical effect conventional warp drives can take advantage of.

The correct formula for the original warp scale was v/c=WF^3. The scale has changed a bit between Warp 1 and Warp 9 and a lot above Warp 9 when Roddenberry wanted Warp 10 to be infinite.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

The current warp formula is really long, but it does work. If I find it, I'll post it again...

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

I would be interested to get the formula. When I wanted to program it some time ago, I didn't find it anymore.