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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The_Tom</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,5,1,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:46 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <blink>Breen Ship!!!!</blink><p>From STI:<br><img src=http://sti.simplenet.com/video/567/images/ds9567-144.JPG><p>Some shots from a weird angle... <a href=http://sti.simplenet.com/video/567/images/ds9567-142.JPG>1</a> and <a href=http://sti.simplenet.com/video/567/images/ds9567-143.JPG>2</a>.<p><p><P>------------------<BR>"......"<br> -The Breen at Internment Camp 371<p><p><br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>DeadCujo</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,5,1,52,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:52 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Those Breen's make pretty cool ships <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/wink.gif"><br>But it actually looks as if it was put together with junk parts<P>------------------<BR>The Unknown Vulcan<br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The_Tom</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,5,2,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:00 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <i>Grown</i> Cujo.. grown.... We've known Breen ships to be Biologically-based since Scorpion I. My guess it that she's run into some trouble in the past and the ship is busily regenerating itself on the ends of the nacelles and tail of the main hull.<p>And it doesn't look like an Onion. Suck it, Vorlon <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/wink.gif"> .<p>BTW, I guess we can assume Boussch's ship looked like this <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR>"......"<br> -The Breen at Internment Camp 371<p><p><br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Daryus Aden</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,5,2,1,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:01 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Nice, doesn't look all that biological though.<P>------------------<BR>I drink therefore I am.<p>-Descartes<p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>DeadCujo</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,5,2,8,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:08 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Why would it necessarily be grown? And perhaps only the inside of the ship is organic/biological or whatever.<p>------------------<br>The Unknown Vulcan<br><p><small>[This message was edited by DeadCujo on April 05, 1999.]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The_Tom</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,5,2,10,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:10 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Cujo: Good Point. But I won't have you going around calling it a hunk of junk... <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/wink.gif"><P>------------------<BR>"......"<br> -The Breen at Internment Camp 371<p><p><br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,5,6,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:00 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I had forgotten about the biological aspect of breen ships, did the PTB remember?<P>------------------<BR>Alamaraine, count to four... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Vorlon</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,5,6,59,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:59 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> THAT ship does not look bio-organic at ALL... It's far too bulky to be organic, and I think I se hull plates, etc, not skin on the hull. I'd gladly take a Vorlon GARLIC ship over that any day. (Suck it, Tom). =P<P>------------------<BR>Lyta Vorlon: "Our great mistake. Our failing. And now your failing. The error is compounded."<br>Delenn: "What mistake?"<br>Lyta Vorlon: "The first one, the one from which all mistakes proceed: The error of Pride..."<p>-- Kalesh Naranek, Last of the Vorlon<br> <A HREF="http://www.orc.ca/~jheinbuc/" TARGET=_blank>www.orc.ca/~jheinbuc/</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Elim Garak</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,5,8,41,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:41 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I suppose I'm holding out on seeing a biological interior now...<P>------------------<BR>"Audaces fortuna juvat."<br>"Fortune favours the bold."<br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,5,11,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:48 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> the bussard collectors look like lemon lime icy-poles<p>also, didn't they give the Ferengi Warp drive - I would have assumed some similarity between the Ferengi ships and the Breen ships, but of course not!<p>Also, why couldn't we see some Ferengi D'Kora class ships in the last episodes? huh?<p>*sigh*<P>------------------<BR>Alamaraine, count to four... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,5,11,52,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:52 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> 'nother thought - are these breen ships going to suffer the same murky appearance as other CGI based ships? i.e. those ships that have never originated from a physical model - those look the most fake - case point Annorax's time ship...<p>where as CGI ships that have already been physical models, look fabulous in CGI case point - the Nebula class Honshu<P>------------------<BR>Alamaraine, count to four... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The_Tom</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,5,15,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:13 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Andrew: I haven't found that to be a problem. The Akira is certainly beautiful (though that may be because of its Motion Picture birth).<p>Actually, it is quite likely that the ship was not designed to look organic, as the Encyclopedia is generally the only reference TPTB use when designing ships. Thanks to its publication date, it has nothing about Breen bioships. However, in Scorpion, everyone did seem pretty impressed with the 8472 bioship, so while Tuvok pointed out that the Breen had something similar, the biological intricacy of Breen ships is probably quite basic in comparison.<P>------------------<BR>"......"<br> -The Breen at Internment Camp 371<p><p><br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,5,15,20,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:20 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, while Tom and Adam are sucking each other... *ducks to avoid being smitten on two fronts*<p>Anyway, my guess is that the ships are either biological w/ a regularly-built "exoskeleton", if you will, or maybe they have a biological computer system, but everything else is artificial (like a highly advanced form of <i>Voyager</i>'s neuro-gel packs).<p>BTW, what do you suppose those things are w/ the big rectangular holes in the front? Shuttlebays, maybe? Some sort of really huge torp launchers? (*doubts it, though*)<P>------------------<BR>"About as useful as a narcoleptic rickshaw driver."<br>-James Lileks <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The_Tom</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,5,15,21,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:21 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> BTW, the interior doesn't look much like the interior of the 8472-mobile...<br> <A HREF="http://members.xoom.com/borg7ofnine/567/images/ds9567-140.JPG" TARGET=_blank>http://members.xoom.com/borg7ofnine/567/images/ds9567-140.JPG</A> <P>------------------<BR>"......"<br> -The Breen at Internment Camp 371<p><p><br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The_Tom</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,5,15,34,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:34 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Tim: Carbeuretors? <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/wink.gif"><p><P>------------------<BR>"......"<br> -The Breen at Internment Camp 371<p><p><br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Vorlon</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,5,17,4,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:04 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *enraged, he throws TSN through several decks and then repeatidly smites his still twiching body*<p>*vorlon speak* Impudent.<P>------------------<BR>Lyta Vorlon: "Our great mistake. Our failing. And now your failing. The error is compounded."<br>Delenn: "What mistake?"<br>Lyta Vorlon: "The first one, the one from which all mistakes proceed: The error of Pride..."<p>-- Kalesh Naranek, Last of the Vorlon<br> <A HREF="http://www.orc.ca/~jheinbuc/" TARGET=_blank>www.orc.ca/~jheinbuc/</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,5,21,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:46 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *crawls back up those several decks*<p>*antiVorlonspeak* Impotent!<p>Anyway, since the inside doesn't look organic, I'm gonna have to go w/ the computer's being a giant brain and nervous system that they grow, and then build a ship around. Or vice versa...<P>------------------<BR>"About as useful as a narcoleptic rickshaw driver."<br>-James Lileks <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The_Tom</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,5,22,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 05, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:13 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *likes the idea of a sentient ship with a brain that doesn't look like a pinecone and isn't the long-lost soulmate of a crazy Betazoid*<P>------------------<BR>"......"<br>�������������-The Breen at Internment Camp 371<p><p><p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Daryus Aden</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,7,3,55,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 07, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:55 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> LMAO @ TSN<P>------------------<BR>I drink therefore I am.<p>-Descartes<p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,11,0,50,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 11, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:50 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Also from STI. This gives a better idea of what the ship looks like.<p><a href="http://sti.simplenet.com/video/569/ds9569p_02.jpg">Breen ship</a><P>------------------<BR>"And though I once prefered a human being's company, they pale before the monolith that towers over me."<br>--<br>They Might Be Giants<p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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