Hey all. I opened this thread for two reasons. 1. I have a request-If anyone has some screen caps of the Prometheus bridge, I'd greatly appreciate it if you'd post them here, so I can save them. Thank You in advance. 2. I think it would be a good idea to discuss the bridge. The Prometheus bridge is a return to the old design: captain's chair in the middle, ops/helm in front, and all the other stations on the bridge perimeter. I don't know about you, but I personally like this design. What do you think?
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Posted by grb on :
I myself don't like this old bridge. The newer ones, with the stations facing center, seem to make inter-officer operations easier. I suspect that perhps the Prometheus was using an older bridge because it had a very small test crew, so they didn't need much inter-officer comunication on the bridge.
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Posted by Sidewinder (Member # 50) on :
I like this bridge too. I think it is more efficient than a Galaxy class bridge with all the "useless positions" like that spot Troi always sat in. It has the simplicty that wins battles.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
but disreguaring the current wartime/dominion situration - I feel that the Prommie will be quite a good ship for exploration purposes - especially having three ships going where just one couldn't go before
Andrew
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Posted by Captain Stark (Member # 70) on :
If you are looking for screen caps then I would recomend the Recient Episode Image Library. Go to my web page (listed below) and in my Links section you will find it. Message in a Bottle is one of the archived images.
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Posted by Excalibur on :
I think the Prometheus would be a great help to the Federation Battlefleet in the current conflict.
P.S.
Does anyone know where to find the Okudagram MSD seen on the Prometheus Bridge?
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Posted by Cargile (Member # 45) on :
Honestly. I don't like the bridge. I design better bridges.
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Posted by Red BWC (Member # 818) on :
Must be going for the retro look, people!
Posted by Magnus Pym Eye (Member # 239) on :
The "fuck"? Shit, you're an annoying git. But, of course, that's what you're going for! Hooray to you! Your little game is win!
Posted by Red BWC (Member # 818) on :
Oh god this is from 1999! I should be reading old threads while I'm tired...
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
[C'mon, you KNEW I would post eventually]
[Edit - Shite! How did I *not* post on this one three years ago?!]
The Prommie bridge is a "classic" Trek bridge. That is, with most of the stations facing away, and only a few stations able to naturally face the viewer. Arguably, since the only person who really needs to use the viewer is the Captain/XO (and to a lesser extent, the Conn), this makes sense. Just look at a similar take on this concept, with Klingon bridges where the helm is often BEHIND the Captain's position (Kurn's ship and the Rotarran are two examples that come to mind). Anyway, the point is that the viewer is only practically used by few people, and this sort of bridge design capitalizes on that.
But as has been mentioned already, this sucks ergonomically. while face-to-face communication on the bridge is not really necessary, in Trek it is, and as such this type of bridge is poorly designed for it. On examples we've seen, people are constantly having to look away from their consoles and spin around to talk to almost anyone. While in theory you should be able to talk loud enough in a closed room without having to face the listener, being able to face him/her without having to completely abandon what you're working on would be beneficial.
The antithesis of this is of course the later bridges we see, like the Sovereign (and NX-01), where most critical stations face not the viewer but more the CO for more effective communications. Here, you need only glance up from your console rather than spin around to talk to the centre of attention. Some may tink that the Intrepid bridge counts in this category, but in fat it does not; most stations here face the relatively tiny viewer more than anything else. This is the result of a conscious acknowledgement that most people think of the viewer as the front windshield that most people would like to look at.
Mark
Posted by Siwiak (Member # 842) on :
I disagree, while I enjoy the look of the Excelsior and Enterprise-A bridges, this concept is somewhat outdated. One has to remember that the Promtheus's bridge design was a quick build for one episode using Voyager's "spare bridge" area, and if I'm not mistaken, used some of the set parts from the Excelsior in "Flashback." I think the same set was used for the Equinox...
In any case, my biggest complaint is the look of the Captain's chair and the rather quick-looking construction of the forward Conn and Ops console. From the Star Trek television standpoint, the main viewer is the center of attention on the bridge, despite what logical information we know about stations and how an officer doesn't even need the thing because his console displays everything he needs to know.
If you want to get down to the science of it all, the most efficient bridge design would be a Captain sitting in the middle of a small room in the interior of the ship with all his officers surrounding him like a donut. This would look rather crappy for TV, and thus we thankfully stay away from it.
While I like the overall design, I just wish it's part wasn't written in a manner to suggest that it's the UFP's bad ass on the street, practically unstopable if it can destroy Warbirds with quick phaser blasts and disable a Nebula with relative ease. While visually cool to watch, I'm of the type that feels that it's the crew that makes the primary difference in a battle... not your pushing a button to seperate you into three unstoppable pieces.
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
Siwiak, as mentioned before, the Prometheus bridge was what the set designers call a swing set (easily put up and easily put down). Most likely the time alloted only provided the set designers with an updated Excelsior/Enterprise-A look since there are enough pieces of the movie bridges to go around.
I'd like to think that the bridge is only a test module and a more permanent design was not installed yet.
Posted by iam2xtreme (Member # 836) on :
Theres a book out in the UK called Delta Quadrant and it says that both the Equinox and Prometheus were adaptions of the defiants bridge. I personally never saw how the fuck they could manage that, but thats what the book says. And no, its not official.
Posted by Magenta Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Yes, the Conn / Ops console is the giveaway that the same bridge set was used for the Equinox. It was also used for the Dauntless, if I'm not mistaken.
I personally liked the forward console. Other than having someone sitting that close to me all day, it looked pretty cool. The sunken floor look is just different enough to be cool.
I agree, though...it's certainly possible that this was a test module designed just for the trial runs.
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
The forward console was re-used for just the Dauntless. The Equinox had a smaller, flat-topped console whose operational surface actually had a lip that curved under the front.
Mark
[ July 31, 2002, 07:12: Message edited by: Mark Nguyen ]
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
I've got a book called "Star Trek: Action!" that focuses in part on the production of "Hope and Fear." And I can tell you for certain that the Dauntless bridge was a brand new custom set, assembled specifically for that episode. Remember those fancy curved walls along the side? The freestanding operations/tactical consoles? There's no way they could've been converted into the Equinox later on. And since it was a brand-new set, it wasn't used for the Prometheus either.
Posted by Guardian 2000 (Member # 743) on :
quote:Originally posted by Siwiak:
If you want to get down to the science of it all, the most efficient bridge design would be a Captain sitting in the middle of a small room in the interior of the ship with all his officers surrounding him like a donut. This would look rather crappy for TV, and thus we thankfully stay away from it.
Unless you're SeaQuest. :-)
Posted by Vice-Admiral Michael T. Colorge (Member # 144) on :
I remember Star Trek: Action... had a nice set of photos that showed how the Dauntless bridge was custom-made. The bridge really only used the seats from other Trek sets.
The Equinox bridge looks like it came from the Nebula Class bridges though...
Posted by The Red Admiral (Member # 602) on :
The one thing the Prometheus bridge had going for it, which I liked, was a return to the old colour scheme of bright lights and light coloured walls. I loved the Enterprise-A bridge, and of course the Enterprise-D. Never really was a fan of the dark and dim, militarized feel of the Voyager bridge, for instance...
one of several pics I have on the site - it really does show how bright it is. Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
One of the things I never liked about the Prometheus bridge were those absurdly high steps right in front of the captain's chair. I guess OSHA doesn't exist in the 24th century -- wouldn't those steps pose a safety hazard for the commanding officer during a battle?
Posted by Mark Nguyen (Member # 469) on :
Yeah, they should have at least given the CO a little more legroom. Odds are though that they made the conn/ops pit larger than it should be, such that they could more easily compose shots for all the time Bob & Andy were down there.
Oh, and if you take a quick look at all the bridge pics on Bernd's site, you'll see that the Prommie forward console is indeed reused on the Dauntless, and that the Equinox console was different. So there.
Mark
Posted by J (Member # 608) on :
I was under the impression that they had built a Bridge which they could destroy in "Year of Hell" and then reused that as the Equinox bridge later... am I wrong?
Posted by Dat (Member # 302) on :
You are wrong. The Equinox bridge was assembled to have design elements of Voyager's bridge.
Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :
J: Admittedly it's been a while since I saw "Year of Hell," but I figured that they just trashed the regular set as an excuse to give the whole thing a facelift. There were scenes all across the bridge, from the helm station to the tactical console to the aft MSD. With all the close-ups, I'd be surprised to hear that they really did build an entire duplicate set for that one two-parter.
Remember, the surfaces we saw are just that -- the surfaces. For such a massive set, the production people also had to worry about a frame to support the whole thing -- that's no small construction job.
They could get away with it for some ships -- for example, the Dauntless was easy because those glowing curved walls were nothing but some boards and muslin. But for something as detailed as the Voyager bridge? I don't think so.
Posted by Proteus (Member # 212) on :
quote:Originally posted by Cargile: Honestly. I don't like the bridge. I design better bridges.
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