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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Lindsly</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,25,2,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 25, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:47 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> According to the ST:TNG Companion, the following models of starships were present in the battle site of "The Best of Both Worlds" 2 (* denotes ship class that have been seen)-<p>Challenger*<br>Cheyenne*<br>Freedom*<br>Nebula*<br>New Orleans*<br>Niagara*<br>Rigel*<br>Springfield<p> From what I have observed, the kit-bashed ships were composed from parts of five classes of ships-Ambassador, Constellation, Constitution, Excelsior Galaxy. This could mean that the Springfield which is yet to be seen may be a combination, for example, of Galaxy and Ambassador. Are there ideas about how this ship looks or has anyone seen this ship?<br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,25,5,29,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 25, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:29 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The Springfield class could have been represented by one of the Excelsior study models.<P>------------------<BR>"The record of my unspeakable crimes, in previous lives, in previous times, indelibly stains the pages of history."<br>--<br>They Might Be Giants<br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Bernd</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,25,7,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 25, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:43 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> "Eagle-eye" Lindsly: Did you actually spot the Niagara, or do you just trust in the FF diagram to reproduce the actual model?<P>------------------<BR>Brain. Brain. What is brain? (Kara the Eymorg, "Spock's Brain")<br> <A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/" TARGET=_blank>www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/</A> <br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Lindsly</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,25,16,31,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 25, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:31 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Bernd: I am afraid that my eyes are not that powerful. I trust in the FF. BTW, how is that you can see through the bow of the Shelly Class starship and project what the stern appears as?<p><p> *NCC-45617<br> / <br> / =angle of camera<p>camera shows starboard bow with battle damage. the beauty shot of the ship ends when the scene switches to the bridge of the defiant leaving the stern unseen the STDS9 TM could be right or you could be right<br> <p><br> <br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,25,16,40,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 25, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:40 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Lindsly: You may not know this, but Mike Okuda says that he doesn't recall any <i>Constitution</i> parts being used in the TBoBW ships.<P>------------------<BR>"I fart in your general direction!"<br>-John Cleese, <i>Monty Python and the Holy Grail</i> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Lindsly</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,25,17,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 25, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:13 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> TSN: Mr. Okuda is wrong. When the USS Enterprise D is seen entering the battlefield, there is a shot of the secondary hull of a Constitution Class starship on the left side of the screen. This Class of ship is the only one I know of that has the four square windows about two decks above the keel. In the Enterprise A, these windows were a bluish color. I believe this is the arboreteum of this class of starship. Could this be a closeup of the USS Buran or of another class of starship we haven't seen it? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Warped1701</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,25,18,25,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 25, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:25 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I believe Frank has a good pic of that scene. *looks over at Frank*<P>------------------<BR><i>Risk is our business! That's what this starship is all about....that's why we're aboard her!"</i><br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,25,18,41,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 25, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:41 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Okay, let me rephrase that... He doesn't think they used any Const'n parts in the kitbashes. I think that sec. hull was nothing more than, well, a secondary hull, thrown in and burned up. I don't think it was part of a larger model (except maybe the kit they got it from...).<P>------------------<BR>"I fart in your general direction!"<br>-John Cleese, <i>Monty Python and the Holy Grail</i> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Lindsly</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,25,18,50,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 25, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:50 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> TSN: Can you explain the Challenger Class ship which is described as a Constitution Variant? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Shadow</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,25,20,8,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 25, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:08 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> TSN:<p>For the third time:<p>HE SAID HE DIDN'T REMEMBER.<p>And I don't have any images. Go away! <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/smile.gif"> Well, none that show anything of use, anyway.<P>------------------<BR> <A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://frankg.dgne.com/</A> <br>Motormaster: "Megatron's in trouble!"<br>Dead End: "Who cares?"<br>Wildrider: "It looks like Starscream's defeated him!"<br>Dead End: "So?" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>CaptSershek</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,26,0,42,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 26, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:42 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> May those infamous Star Trek Fact Files might produce another pretty ship like the Niagara, Challenger, Rigel and Freedom classes. Yes, I'm teasing, I'm more of a Galaxy/Nebula/Sovereign man myself.<p><P>------------------<BR>Remember when we used to be explorers? - Capt. Jean-Luc Picard - Star Trek Insurrection<p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Bernd</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,26,6,40,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 26, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:40 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *The X-Ray Man*<p>Lindsly: I think you refer to the saucer-hull connection, since the Encyclopedia shows the stern shuttlebay as well.<p>Basically I assume that the modelers don't spend much time in making detail changes to the kitbashed models, although this were often necessary for the sake of plausibility. Take a saucer, engineering hull, and a pair (or three <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/frown.gif">) nacelles, and that's it, unfortunately.<p>One more thought about the Constitution secondary hull: In BoBW it's a very close shot, and this part is definitely much more detailed than the AMT kit. Could it be they used (part of) an actual studio model? Could it be the rest of the Enterprise blown up in STTSFS? Anyway, maybe we have to look for the Challenger class somewhere else at Wolf 359, and maybe we're lucky it doesn't actually have Constitution components. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>grb</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,2,31,22,52,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">March 31, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:52 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Maybe Okuda considers the refit enterprise and the enterprise-a as enterprise class starships? I've seen them called that a couple times before.<P>------------------<BR>"How many people does it<br>take before it becomes<br>wrong? 6,000? 60,000?<br>How many people does it<br>take admiral!?!" -Ambassador<br>Picard during his command<br>of the Enterprise-E in the<br>Ba'ku incident.<p><br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,1,1,12,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 01, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:12 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> But not in the Encyclopedia, which Okuda wrote and which presumably reflects his opinion on the matter.<P>------------------<BR>"The record of my unspeakable crimes, in previous lives, in previous times, indelibly stains the pages of history."<br>--<br>They Might Be Giants<br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,1,11,4,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 01, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:04 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Is it possible one day to GET Okuda here - it'd save a lot of arguing <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/wink.gif"><P>------------------<BR>Alamaraine, count to four... <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Sol System</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,3,2,3,9,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">April 02, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:09 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Probably not, as far as posting goes. He's a busy man. However, he's generally pretty good about responding to email.<P>------------------<BR>"The record of my unspeakable crimes, in previous lives, in previous times, indelibly stains the pages of history."<br>--<br>They Might Be Giants<br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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