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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

check this out from Way of the Warrior - one Cruiser looks way bigger than the one in front of it...

the smaller is behind you say! no - look at the warp pylons...

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Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :

hmm...

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Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :

Uh...and where is the phaser fire on the left coming from?

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

Oh ... my ... God.

Please say you're just kidding and modified the pic yourself.

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

I don't think it is correct the disruptor beam is coming from the little ship's torpedo tube, either.

Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :

Here are some small, crappy pictures courtesy of me :P

The disruptor was coming from the middle ship.
And the ship on the right is really behind the one in the middle

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[This message was edited by DeadCujo on April 21, 1999.]

Posted by Trinculo on :

In the original Star Trek, the VFX people had difficulty in doing the space shots of the USS Enterprise. In some cases, the stars could be seen through the nacelles. In this picture, the starbird K'T'Inga class vessel starboard pylon can be seen through the middle ship's port pylon. The lines of the larger's wing pylon, especially the bottom line, can be seen in the starboard pylon of the smaller ship. Considering the year of this episode, this is sloppy VFX-compositing of images didn't work.

A few other notes:
1. Has anyone ever questioned why the K'Vort class battlecrusiers can dock at DS9? In detailed views of the bow of a K'Vort class, there is no hatch. There is a very large disruptor. Yet people can walk into and out of the ship with no difficulty.
2. D-Class designations-There are two canon instances of this use, not one as some believe.
a. "Trials and Tribble-ations". Major Kira Nerys identified the IKS Gr'Oth as "D-7 Class".
b. "Once More Unto the Breach". Gen. Kor refers to a "D-5 Class" cruiser.
One is Federation, the other is Klingon. Conclusion, the D class designations are standard for older Klingon ships.
If you argue against the D-Class designations, I would love to see your pointless arguments about the first useage. They should prove amusing.

[This message was edited by Trinculo on April 21, 1999.]

Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :

I just looked at the video I have of this, and I honestly do not see the two ships blending together at all. I even used slow motion at full screen

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Posted by Trinculo on :

Deadcujo and others: do you have a mouse? If you do, start at the point where the wing begins and at the lower leading edge. Now trail the mouse down the lower leading edge. What you will see is a line like this on the wing pylon of the smaller ship-

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This line matches the lower leading edge.
As I wrote, I became aware of something else. The decoverative yellow design of the larger Klingon bird of prey actually "bleeds" onto the pylon of the smaller ship. At the point of contact, the pylon of the smaller ship becomes "lost".
I believe that in compositing the image the VFX actually merge the image of the large Klingon and the small Klingon ship.
Of course, you wouldn't see the merging of the ships on your VCR. Even at the slowest speed, the images are moving. The best way to study this is to see the image shot by shot.

Posted by Pedro on :

That could be the result of the video capture, actually. What capture device was used? Many vidcap devices interpolate the data a bit to make up for the descrepency between video lines and computer pixels to smooth things out. I know that the Snappy card does this.

Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Ok, the capture was taken from Admiral Jarok's site

I didn't modify the pic - only increased its brightess etc...

The phaser blast on the left is from the 'hole'/'port' of the 'bigger ship'

these are D* i.e. D7 D5 etc ships aren't they - I'm not arguing anything ;o)

its true though - there are those designs on these ships that could make fine detail a little difficult to view...

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

Although I'm not sure what Trinculo is referring to, I zoomed into the image and there is a rectangular structure where the two wings cross. This could be some lighted spot in front of the "larger" cruiser, and the combination of both is accidentally matching the color of the "smaller" cruiser wing.

1. The Defiant can't dock as well, although there is supposed to be a hatch inside the deflector housing according to the DS9TM. I can't see it in the outside view of the ship.

2. There is also the D-12 from Generations.

Posted by Federation Shipmaster (Member # 15) on :

It could be behind it.

*ducks*

It could!

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Posted by deadcujo (Member # 13) on :

I'd be more than willing to send this part of the mpeg to prove that I am not insane in not seeing this

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