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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Top view
Again, at a different angle
Front view
Bottom view
Top/back view
Comparison (the Equinox is ~175m here)
Another comparison (140m here, but it's not very accurate)
Part of the MSD
More of the MSD

I get about a 190m upper limit from the images. Using the deck heights Boris supplied, it's about 185m.

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

8 Decks on the MSD.

And your image labeled "comparison" shows Equinox tilted relative to Voyager... can't you see both nacelles?

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

Itty bitty ship out there all alone... Here, little Equinox...

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Posted by steamrunner2000 on :

Has anybody dare to try and draw a schematic of the Equinox?

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Well, I don't trust the MSD to accurately represent deck heights (case in point: Defiant). Therfore, I used the two comparison shots. The one that has the Equinox at an angle gave me a length of 144m (I accounted for the angle as best I could). The other one, which I think is actually better, gave me 138m. Therefore, I'm thinking around 140m, if we don't get a better figure (which I don't doubt we will).

As for why I think the one Frank labelled less accurate is actually more accurate... What I did was rotate the picture until the ships were actually horizontal, rather than at the angle they are. Then, the backs of the ships lined up vertically. Then, I looked at where the front of the Equinox lined up vertically w/ Voyager. As it turns out, it's right about where the top of that square thing for the rear torp launcher meets the main part of the hull. I used a better diagram of Voyager and measured from there to the back and got 138m. I think this is more accurate than trying to account for the weird angle of the ship in the first pic. Of course, it also assumes that the display in the second pic is supposed to be to scale...

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :

TSN: while the MSD often get details wrong, none of them showed an incorrect number of decks or out-of-scale decks so far. You'd be pretty hard pressed to prove that for the Defiant using onscreen evidence.

I measured the MSD comparison pic by drawing diagonal lines on the picture and calculating their length (in PSP) using the Pythagorean theorem (w^2+h^2=length^2). The size I obtained is 120m for the Equinox, but 140m would not be inconceivable if we use a different Voy diagram.

The other pic gives us a 170m size for the Equinox. There are a couple of problems with this one - the view is not a schematic, it seems a bit tilted towards the viewer (which can be verified by looking at the MSD schematic), and thus shorter in height. We don't know if these are to scale, it would make sense for them to be to scale. I've posted a message asking Rick about the accuracy of this pic, so we'll see what the final length is.

Boris

[This message was edited by Boris on May 29, 1999.]

Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

*innocently* So, we have a ship based on the Defiant Pathfinder with a length in the 120m to 170m range? *runs away and hides*

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Posted by CMAC on :

The nacelles of the Nova-class vessel look similar to the concept design on page 178, section 17.2 of the TNG tech manual. Actually, as I see it more closely, it is the design from the Defiant pathfinder. I must have looked at it from a different angle.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Using the MSD comparison, I still get about 140m, even with everything straightened out:

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

*marks the calendar* Today's the day Frank and I agreed on something w/o even having to argue over it! *starts the party* :-)

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Of course, we don't know if the chart is accurate.

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

*brings some corn chips to the party*

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Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :

Tim, this IS an occassion. You don't know how long I have waited for an agreement on ship lengths *L*.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Erm, I'm still using a ~180m length, according to the actual scenes with the Equinox, until we find anything more conclusive.

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :

Frank: are you sure that the animation has the ships right underneath each other? I haven't seen the ep, but the two look kinda 3D to me.

In any case this won't be a big deal; once we get Rick to give us the size, everything will be clear. It's sad, however, that a ship as insignficant as this received a better design treatment than the Defiant.

Boris

Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

It was a 3D animation, but I think they were indeed underneath each other.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Well, even if that 3D picture of the ships had them out of place, the MSD comparison gave pretty much the same length. So, unless that was out of scale, 140 should be right...

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :

They are pretty much the same, but the Equniox is 137 pixels long in the 3D animation, while Voyager is 272 pixels. That's 137/272 = 0.5037, so we multiply this by 344.4m to get 173m.

Boris