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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Shadow</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,28,21,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 28, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:13 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/sff/equinox.jpg">Top view</A><br><A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/sff/equinox2.jpg">Again, at a different angle</A><br><A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/sff/equinox3.jpg">Front view</A><br><A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/sff/equinox4.jpg">Bottom view</A><br><A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/sff/equinox5.jpg">Top/back view</A><br><A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/sff/equinox6.jpg">Comparison</A> (the Equinox is ~175m here)<br><A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/sff/equinox7.jpg">Another comparison</A> (140m here, but it's not very accurate)<br><A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/sff/equinox8.jpg">Part of the MSD</A><br><A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/sff/equinox9.jpg">More of the MSD</A><p>I get about a 190m upper limit from the images. Using the deck heights Boris supplied, it's about 185m.<P>------------------<BR> <A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://frankg.dgne.com/</A> <br>"You're a real colonel, right?" - Taco Bell Chihuahua to Colonel Sanders, facing an army of battle droids <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The_Tom</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,28,21,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 28, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:24 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> 8 Decks on the MSD.<p>And your image labeled "comparison" shows <i>Equinox</i> tilted relative to Voyager... can't you see both nacelles?<P>------------------<BR>"A <i>Star Wars</i> picture that preaches against greed is a little like Bill Clinton in the pulpit for a chastity-begins-at-home campaign."<p>-Rex Murphy on <i>Star Wars Episode 1: The Phantom Menace</i> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Elim Garak</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,28,21,27,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 28, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:27 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Itty bitty ship out there all alone... Here, little <I>Equinox</I>...<P>------------------<BR>Garak: "I do apologize. You must be incensed. In fact, if I were in your shoes, I'd... grab a bottle of champagne and shoot me." (DS9: "Our Man Bashir") <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>steamrunner2000</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,28,22,28,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 28, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:28 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Has anybody dare to try and draw a schematic of the Equinox?<P>------------------<BR>Has anyone seen any swallows around??? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,29,1,3,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 29, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:03 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, I don't trust the MSD to accurately represent deck heights (case in point: <i>Defiant</i>). Therfore, I used the two comparison shots. The one that has the <i>Equinox</i> at an angle gave me a length of 144m (I accounted for the angle as best I could). The other one, which I think is actually better, gave me 138m. Therefore, I'm thinking around 140m, if we don't get a better figure (which I don't doubt we will).<p>As for why I think the one Frank labelled less accurate is actually more accurate... What I did was rotate the picture until the ships were actually horizontal, rather than at the angle they are. Then, the backs of the ships lined up vertically. Then, I looked at where the front of the <i>Equinox</i> lined up vertically w/ <i>Voyager</i>. As it turns out, it's right about where the top of that square thing for the rear torp launcher meets the main part of the hull. I used a better diagram of <i>Voyager</i> and measured from there to the back and got 138m. I think this is more accurate than trying to account for the weird angle of the ship in the first pic. Of course, it also assumes that the display in the second pic is supposed to be to scale...<P>------------------<BR>"I make fun of senior citizens, but obviously I aspire to be one of them, the alternative being what it is."<br>-Scott Adams, <i>The Dilbert Future</i> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Boris</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,29,3,15,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 29, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:15 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> TSN: while the MSD often get details wrong, none of them showed an incorrect number of decks or out-of-scale decks so far. You'd be pretty hard pressed to prove that for the Defiant using onscreen evidence.<p>I measured the MSD comparison pic by drawing diagonal lines on the picture and calculating their length (in PSP) using the Pythagorean theorem (w^2+h^2=length^2). The size I obtained is 120m for the Equinox, but 140m would not be inconceivable if we use a different Voy diagram.<p>The other pic gives us a 170m size for the Equinox. There are a couple of problems with this one - the view is not a schematic, it seems a bit tilted towards the viewer (which can be verified by looking at the MSD schematic), and thus shorter in height. We don't know if these are to scale, it would make sense for them to be to scale. I've posted a message asking Rick about the accuracy of this pic, so we'll see what the final length is.<p>Boris<p><small>[This message was edited by Boris on May 29, 1999.]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The First One</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,29,8,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 29, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:30 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *innocently* So, we have a ship based on the <i>Defiant Pathfinder</i> with a length in the 120m to 170m range? *runs away and hides*<P>------------------<BR>"I also received an interesting, if some-what perplexing, note from a 13-year-old lad who asked if I "had a clue." I fear I cannot adequately answer, as I am not aware of any immediate clues at hand; but that is not to say there are none present." - T. Herman Zweibel <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>CMAC</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,29,14,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 29, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:44 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The nacelles of the Nova-class vessel look similar to the concept design on page 178, section 17.2 of the TNG tech manual. Actually, as I see it more closely, it is the design from the Defiant pathfinder. I must have looked at it from a different angle.<p><small>[This message was edited by CMAC on May 29, 1999.]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Shadow</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,29,17,56,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 29, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:56 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Using the MSD comparison, I still get about 140m, even with everything straightened out:<p><IMG SRC="http://frankg.dgne.com/sff/novavoyagerblack.jpg"><P>------------------<BR> <A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://frankg.dgne.com/</A> <br>"You're a real colonel, right?" - Taco Bell Chihuahua to Colonel Sanders, facing an army of battle droids <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,30,0,38,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:38 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *marks the calendar* Today's the day Frank and I agreed on something w/o even having to argue over it! *starts the party* :-)<P>------------------<BR>"I make fun of senior citizens, but obviously I aspire to be one of them, the alternative being what it is."<br>-Scott Adams, <i>The Dilbert Future</i> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Shadow</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,30,0,42,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:42 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Of course, we don't know if the chart is accurate. <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/frown.gif"><P>------------------<BR> <A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://frankg.dgne.com/</A> <br>"You're a real colonel, right?" - Taco Bell Chihuahua to Colonel Sanders, facing an army of battle droids <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fabrux</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,30,0,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:48 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *brings some corn chips to the party*<P>------------------<BR><i>U.S.S. Infiltrator NCC-75235</i><br> <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Quadrant/4930" TARGET=_blank>www.geocities.com/Area51/Quadrant/4930</A> <br>"I like the carpet. I really do!"<br> -Julian Bashir<p><p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Daryus Aden</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,30,7,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:24 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Tim, this IS an occassion. You don't know how long I have waited for an agreement on ship lengths *L*.<P>------------------<BR>"I have only one purpose, the destruction of Hitler.....If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourbale reference to the devil in the House of Commons".<p>-Winston Churchill<p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Shadow</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,30,12,25,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:25 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Erm, I'm still using a ~180m length, according to the actual scenes with the Equinox, until we find anything more conclusive.<P>------------------<BR> <A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://frankg.dgne.com/</A> <br>"You're a real colonel, right?" - Taco Bell Chihuahua to Colonel Sanders, facing an army of battle droids <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Boris</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,30,16,34,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:34 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Frank: are you sure that the animation has the ships right underneath each other? I haven't seen the ep, but the two look kinda 3D to me.<p>In any case this won't be a big deal; once we get Rick to give us the size, everything will be clear. It's sad, however, that a ship as insignficant as this received a better design treatment than the Defiant.<p>Boris <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Shadow</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,30,16,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 30, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:43 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It was a 3D animation, but I think they were indeed underneath each other.<P>------------------<BR> <A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://frankg.dgne.com/</A> <br>"You're a real colonel, right?" - Taco Bell Chihuahua to Colonel Sanders, facing an army of battle droids <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,31,1,7,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 31, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:07 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, even if that 3D picture of the ships had them out of place, the MSD comparison gave pretty much the same length. So, unless <i>that</i> was out of scale, 140 should be right...<P>------------------<BR>"When you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."<br>-Samuel L. Clemens <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Boris</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,4,31,1,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">May 31, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:23 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> They are pretty much the same, but the Equniox is 137 pixels long in the 3D animation, while Voyager is 272 pixels. That's 137/272 = 0.5037, so we multiply this by 344.4m to get 173m.<p>Boris <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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