Okay, (by the way I've been away for a while) so now the chapter has ended, the book closed. But, being the knitpickers we all are, we just have to identify the vessels seen in "What You Leave Behind".
When I think about it, it seems foolish to even look into the ship names and registries. The writers/producers/whatevers surely weren't paying attention to the technical side of things. Their main focus was on the emotional effect.
Speaking of the emotional effect, this really "got me where I lived". Now, twenty-three minutes past the final chapter, I have a weird feeling inside of me. I have learned so much from the show, and now part of me has been left behind, only to let a new chapter open. We'll see what comes next.
So...let's get crackin'!
-Chris
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Well really there wern't any new ships in WYLB. The entire battle was stock footage. I mean c'mon, the Sao Paulo had USS Defiant NX-74205 on the hull.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Very little of the battle was stock footage. They just didn't change the Defiant's texture map.
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Posted by Warped1701 (Member # 40) on :
Perhaps not, but I don't appreciate the use of stock footage in the last episode either.
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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
OK... let's start with the "edities" (the modified stock footage)
In the same shot where the Defiant (with the NX-74205 reg.) does that little bank turn over a Galor and head for the back lines, on the far right of the screen we spot the back of a newly-added darkened Federation starsip, with a vertical impulse grill. I have a feeling it's *gasp* a Norway.... There's some more ships in this shot as well.. a Galaxy IIRC.
Additionally...
And extra attack fighter was added into the attack run on the Galor and gets sorta cleaved.
We see some warbirds added into a lot of the shots.
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Posted by Trinculo on :
There is the shot of a Miranda Class starship being chased by a Breen starship. BTW, this is my favorite VFX shot of the episode.
Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :
Were any ship names in WYLB.
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Posted by Jamaharon on :
I know that there was a lot of stock footage in WYLB. That wasn't the original question. I asked if there were some, if any registires given by the production staff.
Some new shots were the first battle scene with the Excelsior class ship getting it's bridge fried. Then we had the two new Nebula Class ships, and the scene Trinculo mentioned, along with the shot of the the Galaxy firing phasers from the strips.
That gives us at least five new ships. Perhaps not necessarily new ships, but some never seem before. If Paramount didn't release any names or registries, then who cares.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
They mentioned Attack Wings 64 and 65 as well as the Romulan flagship, but I don't recall any names.
I'm with Frank; what's reused isn't that important (and isn't a whole lot compared to the new and edited stuff), but the least they could do is change the Defiant's registry on the texture map.
*sniggers* I'm sure Stipes would be more than willing to provide us with names.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Maybe we could convince him that, if he gives us the names, we won't kill him for not changing the São Paulo's textures... :-)
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
It's not the S�o Paulo, though. It's the Defiant.
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Posted by Deep6 on :
Yes, the name's the same, but they neglected to change the registry on the hull.
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Posted by Galen (Member # 72) on :
Poor USS Majestic. We got to see her die again. If you command a Miranda, don't get near the Defiant.
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Posted by Jamaharon on :
Okay. It wasn't the USS Majestic. Yes, it was stocked footage. Just because it was stock footage, doesn't mean they are the same ships. Sorry, I'm just in need of the ship names (especially the Nebula Class') for a site.
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Posted by bryce (Member # 42) on :
I knew the stock footage was there, but it didn't take away from my enjoyment of the show. Most of the battle was seen from the bridge and through the battle damage the Defiant took
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Posted by Trinculo on :
I doubt very seriously that any of the ships in the new footage had names or registries.
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Actually, I think I saw the name of a Miranda when the fleet is moving to intercept the Dominion. I'll have to go back and look
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I know it's the Defiant, but I'm going to call it São Paulo just to spite the dumbasses who didn't change the textures... :-)
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Posted by Warped1701 (Member # 40) on :
It's so painfully visible too...not even bothering to change the registry. *shakes his head*
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Posted by bryce (Member # 42) on :
Yeah, but they never said Sisko couldn't change the registry too. The orginal is destroyed, it's not like there will be a mix up in a junk yard someday.
*can't understand everyone's problem with the number*
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Posted by Warped1701 (Member # 40) on :
Probably because the registry read NX-74205. This indicates that the ship is experimental. If I'm not mistaken the Sao Paulo (Dunno exactly how to get the tilde on top of the a) is not experimental. Therefore, even if they did change the registry it should be NCC-74205.
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
We are talking about the same people who could not keep the Defiant to a certain length!!! If they can't keep the Defiant to look 170m, they won't bother to change the registry on her. They may think that we would not notice, but some of us here have big screen TV's!! Anyway, it was nice to see a Norway Class again since the last one I saw was blown up in First Contact. I saw that at though the visual effects people added things to the stock footage like the Akira Class being blown up in the scene with the Norway.
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Posted by Deep6 on :
I missed the Norway, where was it?
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Actually, the ship was a Saber, not a Norway. It's the one that fires a phaser shot upward and to the right, correct?
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Alright, I definatly got something here. While watching the repeat of the episode last night, I definatly caught part of a Miranda registry. NCC-18.... I couldn't get the rest so quickly, but there is also a name visible. I'll check it and get back to you. This Miranda is seen coming from the top center of the screen, and comes down to the bottom right so that it is practically level. As it comes down, you can see the registry on the bottom, and when it's level, you can see the name on top.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Where exactly in the episode is that?
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Alright, I'm back, and I think I got it. NCC-13471. I can't be totally sure, but I know that's close. The scene is where you see those Peregrine fighters real close flying in front of the Klingons. They sweep to the left, and the Miranda ends up in the bottom right corner. The registry is on the bottom of the hull, very briefly. Something si written on the top, but I can't tell if it's a registry or name
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Hmm. The Miranda's registry is only barely visible...not enough to tell, really.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Yeah, I noticed that one, too. However, due to poor tape quality and lack of a huge television, I couldn't make out the number. By the time the ship gets close enough to the camera to be pretty legible, only the last two digits are still there, and the picture was too blurry for me to read them.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Okay, never mind... The one I was thinking of was the reused Majestic. I'm not sure which one you're tlaking about, and I don't feel like going to look at the tape again... :-)
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Neither of the two new Galaxy shots - from underneath when doing that superb Defiant POV loop, or the one firing phasers forward - have a visible registry of any kind. . .
Posted by Deep6 on :
Yeah, on Matt's miranda, the first number does appear to be a one although I cant make any of the other numbers.
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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
*rubs Frank's capture card until it purrs like a kitten* (hint, hint)
Lee: You saw WYLB? *ahem*
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Er, what do you want me to capture?
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Whoops.....
Anyway, I think he wants you to capture this little Miranda we are talking about
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
I doubt the registry would show up in an image, actually.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
I've seen clips of the battle scene up to the bit where the Cardassians do something surprising. So I think I have the clip featuring the ship (Norway or Sabre) mentioned. . . but I can't see the Miranda being chased by a Breen ship. . . and I'm not sure if I have this scene which might feature a registry.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Lee, assuming the only clips you have are from Section31.com, the Miranda/Breen scene isn't there. It's pretty much just after that.
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Posted by nfaw on :
I don't know how much weight episode novelizations are given but two ships are mentioned in the novel for WYLB. The flagship of Admiral Ross is the Farragut. Another ship at the front of the battle is called the Nelson.
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