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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

I don't know if it has been done before, but I've identified some more ships in the tachyon grid displays from "Redemption, part 2". The ships marked "new" are not mentioned as part of the fleet, however, they are ships that have been seen before (or will be seen in later episodes!). There is no ship with a 4-digit number or a name resembling "Valkyrie".

1) This is the original configuration of the network I have drawn from the TV screen:

http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/temp/tachyon-grid-original.gif

2) This is the network without the Excalibur. Note that the Charleston and Sutherland (where the grid is just being disrupted when the display is shown) have changed positions, while the Thomas Paine and one unknown ship try to fill the gap the Excalibur has left. The dialogue says the Hornet and Akagi were supposed to do this. Maybe we have to think three-dimensionally.

http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/temp/tachyon-grid-disrupted.gif

I'm not sure if the three missing ships will ever be identified, because they are almost completely covered by the grid lines in the second diagram, and the first one is too small.

Anyway, except for the 2xxxx registry of the Hermes, there seem to be no inconsistencies in the displays.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

The last digit in the Constellation-class ship's registry was a 3, anyway, so it wasn't the Valkyrie.

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Posted by Trinculo on :

During the course of the episode, the number of ships was said to be 22. I do not know the location of the other 5 ships.

Below is a list of ships from the new encyclopedia which had a picture of the tachyon web-
1. USS Akagi NCC-62158
2. USS Ahwahnee NCC-71620
3. USS Ajax NCC-11574
4. USS Aries NCC-45167
5. USS Charleston NCC-42285
6. USS Endeavor NCC-71805
7. USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D
8. USS Excalibur NCC-26517
9. USS Goddard NCC-59621
10. USS Hermes NCC-10376
11. USS Hood NCC-42296
12. USS Hornet NCC-45231
13. USS Merrimack NCC-61827
14. USS Sutherland NCC-72015
15. USS Thomas Paine NCC-65530
16. USS Tian Nan Men NCC-21382
17. USS Trieste NCC-37124

5 Additional Ship-
1. USS Valkyrie NCC-2590 (the registry can be seen briefly as the ship passes by. At Pedro's site, there is the view of the USS Valkyrie. The last digit appears to be shaped like a zero.)
The other four are unknown

[This message was edited by Trinculo on June 07, 1999.]

Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

Then it was probably the Hathaway, and was not re-labeled at all. I guess this was the last appearance of the a Constellation class ship, maybe the Valkyrie was only labeled for the exhibition.

Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

In the first image, the Txxxxxx ship is the Trieste, and the other two unidentified ones are the Goddard and Aries.

In the second image, it's the same thing, only the Goddard has moved up towards where the Thomas Paine was.

I guess the Constellation-class ship was indeed the Hathaway.

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

Ooh, cool. . . *has a great time flicking between the two images in different windows* 8)

Remind me - how many actual ships did we see in the ep? I don't recall there being a lot. . .

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Posted by Trinculo on :

The following ships were seen in the episode:
USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D
USS Excalibur NCC-26517
USS Sutherland NCC-72015
USS Valkyrie NCC-2590 (I am accepting this identification. BTW, I sent a letter to Shadow. He replied that the identification of the Constellation Class ship couldn't be made. Has he gotten a bigger tv?)

Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

Whoa, Lee's right; this is sure fun...

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :

Thing is, the Constellation seen in the exterior VFX sequence was upside-down, and the only other upside-down Constellation was the Valkyrie, and it had labels positioned that way to prove it... If they relabeled and flipped the model at some point, isn't just before it appeared onscreen upside-down a good time?

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

As a matter of fact, I did get a larger TV.

But I hadn't really checked before...I noticed the registry by accident. Anyway, the last number was definitely a 3.

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Posted by Captain Stark (Member # 70) on :

Ok its late so I may mess this up.

A reprint of the Okudagram of the grid was printed in the Star Trek Science Logs (from Pocket about a year ago). If I was home then I could pull out the book and look up the page number.

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

I couldn't read any part of the Constellation class registry. The Valkyrie being the most recent labeling, I might accept it was supposed to be the Valkyrie, but strong evidence is missing.

The Aries is between the Hermes and the Enterprise, the Goddard between the Triese and the Hermes.

I don't like the idea that the same ships appear again and again in TNG, while there are thousands of them in DS9.

Posted by Trinculo on :

The increase in the size of Starfleet is due to the demands placed upon the stories by the writers. The proportions of the Federation and the Starfleet are being exagerrated to the level of unbelievibilty for me. They are almost comical in scope. I chalk this up to the changing nature of the stories being made for Star Trek and a differing perception of the UFP and Starfleet.

Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

The situation that there's no other starship in sector 001 but the Enterprise is even more comical.

Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :

I think the fleet idea is a good explanation of why the same ships reappear in TNG - after all, the E-D wasn't going that far afield. Which also explains why there were at least a dozen ships classes we never saw.

Posted by Davok (Member # 143) on :

The Studio model of the Valkyrie (or a copy) was displayed at the Star Trek World Tour in Duesseldorf, Germany. The registry number was NCC-2590.

Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :

When was the Enterprise-D the only ship in Sector 001?

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

The Valkyrie NCC-2590:

http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/worldtour/valkyrie.jpg

Note that the lettering looks as if the bottom was supposed to be the top side, as The_Tom said. This is probably the reason why it was actually displayed upside down in a previous exhibition.

Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

The Enterprise-nil, -A, and -B were the only starships in the sector. TNG suffered from a permanent lack of ships too, and the the E-D had to do any kind of duty, from medicine courier service to towing. I can't remember a single dialogue like this: "Captain, medicine has to be delivered to Gerratana IV and the Nixian ambassador wants to be ferried to Trinculo VIII." - "Don't worry, there are the USS Dunnowhat and USS Seekaname in this sector, and we can continue with our mission."

Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Well, the Federation is supposedly really large...even with thousands of ships, there wouldn't be enough to have several within hours of each other.

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