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[This message was edited by Hobbes on June 10, 1999.]
Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Well, remember, the Sutherland's bridge may have been some sort of temporary one, and the Phoenix, for example, was commissioned just before the Enterprise. So, they don't necessarily have to be that much older, although they probably are.
(Remember, include all possible arguments. 
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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Okay Frank...i thought the point of this SWDAO series was for one person to have an argument, while another provide a counterpoint to the argument.
I'm not saying much older, but the Nebula-class did come before the Galaxy-class. Most of the Nebula registries I have start with 61, a couple of them higher than 70. So far the highest I have is the USS Sutherland NCC-72015.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Adhering to the idea that registries are at least assigned chronologically, a class ship's registry will necessarily precede all other registries in the class. Therefore, USS Nebula's registry number is lower than 60205 (that of the Honshu, and the lowest Neb we've seen yet). Since this more than 10,000 lower than USS Galaxy's 70637, it is almost indisputable that the Nebula came first.
Possible arguement: Prometheus. Yes, the Prometheus' registry number is much lower than both the Galaxy's and the Nebula's, yet it is newer. However, there are many Nebulae w/ registries that are still lower than the Galaxy's. This means that all those Nebulae were ordered before the Galaxy was. Certainly, SF would not have ordered a class mass-produced until the original had been around long enough to be tested and approved. Therefore, the Nebula was built, tested, and approved, and more ships of the class were assigned to be constructed, all before the Galaxy itself was ever ordered. The Nebula is older.
Yes, I know I'm not arguing w/ anyone. I just wanted to put everything together more coherently. :-)
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Hobess: No, no...the point is for one person to provide all sides of an argument, so the reader can determine a potential conclusion from that information. There are people who will think along the same lines as what I mentioned. You don't have to agree, just put it in.
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Posted by Jamaharon on :
I was just (sort of) debating this issue on a page of my website. This page is on the Nebula Class, and will be part of a Starfleet section of my homepage when it becomes operational. Please look over this page, and if you find any errors, please let me know.
The URL is http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Canal/6569/NCS.html
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Posted by bryce (Member # 42) on :
I think the Galaxy was on the drawing board first.
About the time the Galaxy was being developed we were at war with Cardassia. My feeling is they saw an impossible need to build the ship faster. So they made a smaller new design based on the Galaxy, called the Nebula.
I believe this because if you were the Federation and you were starting to build your new luxury liner/new battleship/flagship why would you base it on a ship that is used for whatever the Nebula is supposed to be for I forget. 
My feeling is the Galaxy was designed first, but the Nebula was produced first.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
I think Bryce has the germ of a good idea there. . . sort of. However, it's a lot easier to think of the G as being an offshoot of the N - an Advanced or Super Nebula as it were. It also makes a lot of sense if there were only 12 Galaxies - that they might say "let's take the components for 12 Nebulas and do this to them."
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
I agree with Bryce. Although the First One's argument is more plausible, it does not correspond with the TNGTM. The TNGTM describes the Galaxy class as something new and unseen, and this wouldn't be the case if the Galaxy class ships were just derived from the Nebula.
Maybe the topic is a bit more complicated than Hobbes thought, because we have to consider the design history, not only the commission dates.
Jamaharon: The page looks nice. Do you already have pages for the other starships listed on the top?
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I was thinking approximately the same thing bryce was, but I was going to try to work out more details before posting it. I think probably the Galaxy and Nebula were designed in conjunction (the Gal was in "normal" starship configuration, the Neb was its "Mirandized" counterpart). When it came time to build them, something (maybe the Cardassian War, as bryce said?) caused them to build the Nebulae first, because it wouldn't require so many unecessary resources, and they were faster to crank out.
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Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :
Isn't the Honshu's registry not yet known, at least officially. Yes, we think it says 60205, but that could be incorrect.
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
My guess is that the Nebula was used as a 'bridge' between the New Orleans/Rigel/Freedom family to the Galaxy.
Also, it may have been that Nebula and Galaxy were designed at the same time, but that the Galaxy design was put on hold, in order to let the Ambassadors lead another 10 years as the flagships of the Federation. I mean, the Nebulas replaced 80 year old Nebulas, the Galaxies replaced 50 year old Ambassadors. The Nebulas were needed much more to replace the Mirandas then the Galaxies were needed to replace the Ambassadors. So, the Nebula was a higher priority then the Galaxy
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
I suspect you mean Excelsiors being replaced by the Nebulas? And if not, you should. They're fare better candidates for repacement by Nebulas than the Mirandas. . .
Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Or Centaurs...
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Posted by bryce (Member # 42) on :
*smiles cause people agree*
The problem is we know nothing more about the time (10, 15 yrs.) before TNG except the Cardie War.
I also think now (I heard this before too) that the Nebulas were like testers for the whole Galaxy fleet. Supposedly, they both shared the same tech. when they were designed. My new theory is now they might have said, "What if this here new poopie in these Galaxy boats don't work right?"
"Well, let's test this here engine in that new uhhh... star cluster class since it's a wee bit smaller and less important."
Sorry
If they put the new tech in the Galaxies and they all needed a refit later, that's a big hunk of your modern fleet. It's strategically bad.
My disagreement with the idea about the Ambassadors is that Starfleet should plan it's new ship consruction better to avoid such things.
I feel the only explanation within the Star Trek mythos for the lack of Ambassadors is that there must be some flaw in their design or something along those lines.
I'm done!
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[This message was edited by bryce on June 13, 1999.]
Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Hobbes: Could you write up the text for this according to what everyone's said? Thanks.
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