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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Hobbes</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,10,17,11,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 10, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:11 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> This is a easy one. Older. The Nebula-class came <b>before</b> the Galaxy-class. Evidence? Lower registry numbers than the Galaxy-class. 2) The aft computer station on the bridge seen in "Remdemption, part 2" has an older look to it, like on the Ambassador-class.<p>Hobbes<br>9906.10<br><center><a href="http://www.thefsd.com">TheFSD.com<br> Federation Starship Datalink</a> <p>------------------<br>"You're a groovy baby...baby" - Austin Powers<p><p><small>[This message was edited by Hobbes on June 10, 1999.]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Shadow</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,10,17,19,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 10, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:19 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, remember, the Sutherland's bridge may have been some sort of temporary one, and the Phoenix, for example, was commissioned just before the Enterprise. So, they don't necessarily have to be that much older, although they probably are.<p>(Remember, include all possible arguments. <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/smile.gif"> )<P>------------------<BR> <A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://frankg.dgne.com/</A> <br>"Let's get those missiles ready to destroy the universe!" - TMBG <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Hobbes</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,10,17,31,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 10, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:31 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Okay Frank...i thought the point of this SWDAO series was for one person to have an argument, while another provide a counterpoint to the argument.<p>I'm not saying much older, but the Nebula-class did come before the Galaxy-class. Most of the Nebula registries I have start with 61, a couple of them higher than 70. So far the highest I have is the USS Sutherland NCC-72015.<p>Hobbes<br>9906.10<P>------------------<BR>"You're a groovy baby...baby" - Austin Powers<p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,10,17,33,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 10, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:33 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Adhering to the idea that registries are at least <i>assigned</i> chronologically, a class ship's registry will necessarily precede all other registries in the class. Therefore, USS <i>Nebula</i>'s registry number is lower than 60205 (that of the <i>Honshu</i>, and the lowest Neb we've seen yet). Since this more than 10,000 lower than USS <i>Galaxy</i>'s 70637, it is almost indisputable that the <i>Nebula</i> came first.<p>Possible arguement: <i>Prometheus</i>. Yes, the <i>Prometheus</i>' registry number is much lower than both the <i>Galaxy</i>'s and the <i>Nebula</i>'s, yet it is newer. However, there are many <i>Nebulae</i> w/ registries that are still lower than the <i>Galaxy</i>'s. This means that all those <i>Nebulae</i> were ordered before the <i>Galaxy</i> was. Certainly, SF would not have ordered a class mass-produced until the original had been around long enough to be tested and approved. Therefore, the <i>Nebula</i> was built, tested, and approved, and more ships of the class were assigned to be constructed, all before the <i>Galaxy</i> itself was ever ordered. The <i>Nebula</i> is older.<p>Yes, I know I'm not arguing w/ anyone. I just wanted to put everything together more coherently. :-)<p>------------------<br>"I ran into Charlie Fogg.<br>He blacked my eye, and he kicked my dog.<br>My dog turned to me, and he said,<br>'Let's head back to Tennessee, Jed.'"<br>-The Grateful Dead, "Tennessee Jed"<p><small>[This message was edited by TSN on June 10, 1999.]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Shadow</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,10,17,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 10, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:35 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Hobess: No, no...the point is for one person to provide all sides of an argument, so the reader can determine a potential conclusion from that information. There are people who will think along the same lines as what I mentioned. You don't have to agree, just put it in. <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR> <A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://frankg.dgne.com/</A> <br>"Let's get those missiles ready to destroy the universe!" - TMBG <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jamaharon</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,10,20,15,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 10, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:15 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I was just (sort of) debating this issue on a page of my website. This page is on the Nebula Class, and will be part of a Starfleet section of my homepage when it becomes operational. Please look over this page, and if you find any errors, please let me know.<p>The URL is <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Canal/6569/NCS.html" TARGET=_blank>http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Canal/6569/NCS.html</A> <P>------------------<BR>Welcome to the United Federation of Planets! I am the Risian LCARS system. Please, enjoy your stay, and if you need further assistance, you may access me at any of our terminals.<p><p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>bryce</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,10,23,11,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 10, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:11 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I think the Galaxy was on the drawing board first. <p>About the time the Galaxy was being developed we were at war with Cardassia. My feeling is they saw an impossible need to build the ship faster. So they made a smaller new design based on the Galaxy, called the Nebula.<p>I believe this because if you were the Federation and you were starting to build your new luxury liner/new battleship/flagship why would you base it on a ship that is used for whatever the Nebula is supposed to be for I forget. <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/wink.gif"> <p>My feeling is the Galaxy was designed first, but the Nebula was produced first. <P>------------------<BR>"Everything I needed to learn in life I learned from Optimus Prime."<p>Rule #1 : Always try to help a friend redeem himself from a past mistake. <p><p><p><p><br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The First One</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,11,5,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 11, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:47 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I think Bryce has the germ of a good idea there. . . sort of. However, it's a lot easier to think of the G as being an offshoot of the N - an Advanced or Super <i>Nebula</i> as it were. It also makes a lot of sense if there were only 12 <i>Galaxies</i> - that they might say "let's take the components for 12 <i>Nebulas</i> and do this to them." <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Bernd</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,11,9,33,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 11, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:33 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I agree with Bryce. Although the First One's argument is more plausible, it does not correspond with the TNGTM. The TNGTM describes the Galaxy class as something new and unseen, and this wouldn't be the case if the Galaxy class ships were just derived from the Nebula.<p>Maybe the topic is a bit more complicated than Hobbes thought, because we have to consider the design history, not only the commission dates.<p>Jamaharon: The page looks nice. Do you already have pages for the other starships listed on the top?<P>------------------<BR>"No, thanks. I've had enough. One more cup and I'll jump to warp." (Janeway, asked if she would like some coffee in "Once upon a Time")<br> <A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/" TARGET=_blank>www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/</A> <br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,11,16,45,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 11, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:45 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I was thinking approximately the same thing bryce was, but I was going to try to work out more details before posting it. I think probably the <i>Galaxy</i> and <i>Nebula</i> were designed in conjunction (the Gal was in "normal" starship configuration, the Neb was its "Mirandized" counterpart). When it came time to build them, something (maybe the Cardassian War, as bryce said?) caused them to build the <i>Nebulae</i> first, because it wouldn't require so many unecessary resources, and they were faster to crank out.<P>------------------<BR>"I ran into Charlie Fogg.<br>He blacked my eye, and he kicked my dog.<br>My dog turned to me, and he said,<br>'Let's head back to Tennessee, Jed.'"<br>-The Grateful Dead, "Tennessee Jed" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>USS Vanguard</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,11,16,51,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 11, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:51 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Isn't the Honshu's registry not yet known, at least officially. Yes, we think it says 60205, but that could be incorrect.<P>------------------<BR>"This should provide adequate sustenance for the Doctor Who marathon"<br>-Fat Sarcastic Comic Book Guy <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The359</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,11,17,24,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 11, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:24 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> My guess is that the Nebula was used as a 'bridge' between the New Orleans/Rigel/Freedom family to the Galaxy.<p>Also, it may have been that Nebula and Galaxy were designed at the same time, but that the Galaxy design was put on hold, in order to let the Ambassadors lead another 10 years as the flagships of the Federation. I mean, the Nebulas replaced 80 year old Nebulas, the Galaxies replaced 50 year old Ambassadors. The Nebulas were needed much more to replace the Mirandas then the Galaxies were needed to replace the Ambassadors. So, the Nebula was a higher priority then the Galaxy<P>------------------<BR>"The one, the only, THE 359!"<p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The First One</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,11,18,38,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 11, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:38 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I suspect you mean <i>Excelsiors</i> being replaced by the <i>Nebulas</i>? And if not, you should. They're fare better candidates for repacement by <i>Nebulas</i> than the <i>Mirandas</i>. . . <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,11,20,41,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 11, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:41 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Or <i>Centaurs</i>...<P>------------------<BR>"I ran into Charlie Fogg.<br>He blacked my eye, and he kicked my dog.<br>My dog turned to me, and he said,<br>'Let's head back to Tennessee, Jed.'"<br>-The Grateful Dead, "Tennessee Jed" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>bryce</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,13,0,27,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 13, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:27 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *smiles cause people agree* <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/smile.gif"><p>The problem is we know nothing more about the time (10, 15 yrs.) before TNG except the Cardie War.<p>I also think now (I heard this before too) that the Nebulas were like testers for the whole Galaxy fleet. Supposedly, they both shared the same tech. when they were designed. My new theory is now they might have said, "What if this here new poopie in these Galaxy boats don't work right?" <p>"Well, let's test this here engine in that new uhhh... star cluster class since it's a wee bit smaller and less important."<p>Sorry <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/smile.gif"><p>If they put the new tech in the Galaxies and they all needed a refit later, that's a big hunk of your modern fleet. It's strategically bad. <p>My disagreement with the idea about the Ambassadors is that Starfleet should plan it's new ship consruction better to avoid such things. <p>I feel the only explanation within the Star Trek mythos for the lack of Ambassadors is that there must be some flaw in their design or something along those lines.<p>I'm done!<p>------------------<br>"Everything I needed to learn in life I learned from Optimus Prime."<p>Rule #2 : No matter how evil your enemy is always show him mercy when he attempts to surrender.<p><p><p><p><br><p><small>[This message was edited by bryce on June 13, 1999.]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Shadow</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,13,16,4,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 13, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:04 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Hobbes: Could you write up the text for this according to what everyone's said? Thanks. <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR> <A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://frankg.dgne.com/</A> <br>"Speak softly, drive a Sherman tank." - TMBG <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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