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Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :

Not much to say about these two. It pretty much comes down to what you consider to be believable, and that's usually different for each person.
USS Discovery-
supposedly mentioned in the Squire of Gothos.
Not mentioned in Encyclopedia(first or second versions) and main arguments come to the use of the word Discovery. Kirk says "Notify the 'Discovery' over subspace". Some have taken this to be notify our discovery, in which case it is not a ship. The former however does seem to denote that the ship Discovery does exist and that Kirk wants to contact it. On the other hand, chances are that Shatner simply misspoke. If we go by on-screen info, there is definately a ship called Discovery, but not necessarily Starfleet.

USS Mayflower-
Much more straight forward. This ship name can be seen in the 2nd encyclopedia on some cargo logos.
Some take the fact that it was in an official book to to say that it does in fact "exist" in the ST official universe. Others consider it only to be clip art that was thrown in as filler. There is no evidence to say that the Mayflower's insignia appeared on DS9, but of course, there is not evidence against the fact either.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

I was under the impression that he said "inform the Discovery/discovery". However, either way, it's a transitive verb. Discovery has to the object. You cannot inform a discovery; you can only inform someone of a discovery.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

The line was "Notify the discovery over subspace."

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Posted by Cargile (Member # 45) on :

notify: to give notice of : report the occurance of : to give notice to.

"Give [Starfleet Command] notice of the discovery over subspace."

"Report the occurance [to Starfleet Command] of the discovery over subspace."

"Give notice [of the lone planet] to the Discovery over subspace."

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :

Vanguard: Could you alter your text, using the correct dialog? Thanks.

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Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :

Text has been altered.

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Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

quote:
Originally posted by USS Vanguard:
There is no evidence to say that the Mayflower's insignia appeared on DS9, but of course, there is not evidence against the fact either.

The Mayflower-label appeared in "Family Business".

http://home.arcor.de/spike730/mayflower.jpg

Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :

Necromancer!

Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

Well, I thought it wasn't worth a new topic. [Big Grin]

Posted by CaptainMike (Member # 709) on :

so there's no Discovery but there is a uss mayflower.

change the title to SWAO and lock it.

Posted by Lee (Member # 393) on :

Good God! I wondered what an SWDAO thread was doing there. . . Now we get all the people saying "What's SWDAO?" and then they go to the link, then they start nitpicking. . . Just remember the bloody page hasn't been updated since about 1999. 8)

Posted by MinutiaeMan (Member # 444) on :

I remember SWDAO (the website, not the Flare threads)...

At least it's cool to see that something like this can actually be confirmed! [Wink]

Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :

the:

The is opposed to the indefinite article a or an, and is used specifically when reference is made to a particular person, thing, or group. The New International Webster's College Dictionary of the English Language, 2002.

So, there is a Discovery. [Razz]

And, there is the space shuttle Discovery .

Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :

Outside of grammar usage, the word in the 'cc' was italicized as DISCOVERY, indicating the name of something/a ship. Also, being as 'cc' is all caps it's impossible to tell if the 'd' was also capitalized as in proper name form. Now whether or not SciFi Channel gets its' 'cc' from the script or not is another question, it is still curious that it is not mentioned in any other Trek references, if the Discovery does exist.

It does seem odd that Kirk would randomly refer to a ship in a 'one-liner' and not make any other reference to it. My take on the 'Discovery Theory', is that there is a Discovery, or so it was intended originally, however, all references otherwise didn't make the episode cut.

My theory, as follows:
The Enterprise was on its way to deliver supplies to Beta VI, it is conceivable that in an original version of the script the Enterprise received those supplies from another ship, such as the Discovery. The Discovery could have made the transfer to them in the original script but was cut in a rewrite (as far as the transfer, but not as far as the 'contact the Discovery' part).

We've seen before that they have taken on transfers from the Potemkin (twice), so its not something out of the norm in that respect. Also, though not from the same series, there is evidence of other ships that were intended for used in scripts but ultimately cut in the end as well...such as the Garuda.

In the end, it 'tis something to at least consider, as I have not seen any other theories on this taken in such a manner.

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

Scraping the very bottom of the barrell for new starships in light of no more Trek movies being made.
All hope is truly lost.

Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :

Your scoffing is hardly befitting considering the circumstances.

It is rather well known that they wrote/rewrote many of their scipts 'on the fly' and were doing so up to and during the actual filming, in many cases improvising along the way.

Otherwise, desperation is hardly reason to shoot a working and feasable theory that seems to support the evidence that does indicate the existance of a ship called Discovery.

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

It's not feasable and that's why I'm jibing at it.
Roddenberry and crew have said many times that they never thought Trek would return once it was cancelled and that they wrote stories to self contained.
They would'nt have dropped a one-liner about a ship that was'nt part of the story and would'nt be shown.
I too saw the episode a few nights back on Sci-fi and recall thinking it was a odd line and poor dialogue but not that he was refering to a ship.
It's just a word refreing to ascientific curiosity and nothing more.

Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
Roddenberry and crew have said many times that they never thought Trek would return once it was cancelled and that they wrote stories to self contained.

What the hell is that supposed to do with anything?

quote:

I too saw the episode a few nights back on Sci-fi and recall thinking it was a odd line and poor dialogue but not that he was refering to a ship.
It's just a word refreing to ascientific curiosity and nothing more.

And all I am saying is that it was italicized in 'cc' (closed captioning) the same way it was when they say ENTERPRISE or any other ships name. That is as much in support of the idea as anything else that brought it up in 'SWDAO' in the first place.

Although I agree with regards to the 'one liner' bit, nonetheless, it is a feasable explaination for the 'sounds like a ship' and the 'italicized like a ship' pros of this debate. The only cons I see are that 'it hasn't been included in any of the quasi-canon sources' or 'the wording sounds funny'.

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

But CC is not made by the writers of TOS so it prone to many errors....even misspellings.

My point about the "stand alone stories" is that there never were refrences to ships that would no be a part of the story (in some direct way)or seen on screen.
They just didint do throw away lines back then like on TNG. People would'nt have been intrested in that kind of minutea back then and in that era of TV.
Gene's concept was "Wagon Train to the Stars" not "The Jane's guide to the future". [Wink]

Posted by Jim NCC1701A (Member # 1021) on :

Brought up the "Discovery" thread on HobbyTalk a few months back... never reached a satisfactory conclusion there either.

Personally, I think Kirk meant to notify another starship (the Discovery). I'm sticking with that, and assigning the name Discovery to one of my yet-to-be-built models [Smile]

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

So post some pics of your models already!
Don't you want to famous like Griffworks and Shik?
What's with you man?

Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :

The USS Carolina is another example of one-liner starships. And, just because the ship isn't included in the official sources can't be considered a valid reason to dismiss a ship. How many ships have we come across on these boards that have been heard or read in an episode and were not included in the official reference sources? Plenty.

Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
So post some pics of your models already!
Don't you want to famous like Griffworks and Shik?
What's with you man?

I prefer the term "infamous", thank you very much.... [Wink]

quote:
Originally posted by newark:
The USS Carolina is another example of one-liner starships. And, just because the ship isn't included in the official sources can't be considered a valid reason to dismiss a ship. How many ships have we come across on these boards that have been heard or read in an episode and were not included in the official reference sources? Plenty.

Good point. I wonder what class Carolina was really meant to be. I know that the STE shows a pic of it as a Daedalus class ship, but I ain't buying that. I also wonder if Discovery was meant to be any specific class or if the producers of TOS even gave thought to the classes of ships that are named, but never actually seen on-screen like Okuda (& Sternbach?) apparently did on TNG thru VOY.

Posted by MrNeutron (Member # 524) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
But CC is not made by the writers of TOS so it prone to many errors....even misspellings.

No kidding. Some years ago I was watching a laserdisc of the musical version of Little Shop of Horrors with the CC on and they had the song lyrics incorrect!

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

Alas, how quickly they forget...

This post from the last thread started about this, like THREE YEARS AGO explains it all perfectly clearly enough for me:

quote:
Originally posted by Laz1701:
Frank is absolutely right. That little bit of dialogue is just an example of grammatical sloppiness. Kirk is really ordering that someone (presumably Starfleet, or at that point in time in the series, EUSPA or Space Central) be notified of the discovery of the planet in what was thought to be a star desert devoid of any planetary objects.

The line in the novelization, based on an early draft of the script, is "Notify the discovery of the planet on subspace radio." The line should have been something like, "Broadcast the discovery of the planet..." or "Transmit the discovery of the planet...", but even as written, it's obvious that Kirk means someone should be notified of the discovery, not that the Discovery should be notified. Otherwise, we have to believe that Kirk wants the USS Discovery of the planet to be notified. What planet does the USS Discovery belong to, then? See my point?

Apparently, when the script reached final draft, the words "of the planet" were dropped in order to tighten up the script, and what was left was "Notify the discovery on subspace radio." Or maybe Shatner himself dropped the words. But the meaning is clear.

Of course, this is an issue that will not die, because there are always those who stick to their guns despite evidence and common sense and believe what they wish to believe.

So the line wasn't very grammatically correct in the first place, and then it got fouled up even more when Shatner clipped it during delivery.

End. Of. Debate.

-MMoM [Big Grin]

P.S.
And BTW, SciFi's closed-captioning is FUCKED. Don't ever pay any attention to it. Ever.

Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :

Unfortunately, we have the show as the only canonical material MoM. Therefore, following the rules of grammer and word usage, discovery is a noun and thus is the name of ship.

Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :

*Bangs gavel on bench*

Next case!

Seriously, I don't much care if it is or not. Just havin' some fun at MMoM's expense. [Big Grin]

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

quote:
Originally posted by newark:
Unfortunately, we have the show as the only canonical material MoM. Therefore, following the rules of grammer and word usage, discovery is a noun and thus is the name of ship.

So you're saying that the mis-speaking of a line (or even mis-writing) creates a ship out of nowhere?

I don't agree. I'm not that desperate for another entry in my shiplist...

-MMoM [Big Grin]

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

That's as silly as Kirk uttering a line of:
"Notify Command of our situation"
Does this line mean there's a USS Command out there in Enterprise's wake and it's the nearest starship?
Of course not: it's just a word, not a proper name. [Wink]

Not only is the assumption of a USS Discovery grasping at straws but it also means that Kirk put that entire crew in mortal danger by not warning them about Trelane!
I sure didint hear him say "notify the Discovery not to go get themselves killed by this uber-powerful alien entity".
On the other hand, it would'nt be the first time Kirk left people for dead on some planet.

Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :

I have heard the character Kirk speak similiar lines before; however, in each case, I knew he wasn't speaking of a ship. It's in the useage of the words and the grammar.

As it stands, the episode does indicate the existence of a ship for those who are not blessed with background knowledge or god-like powers. If you want to believe otherwise based on some obscure knowledge or the Giant Bird of the Galaxy told you so, that is your right.

Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:

Not only is the assumption of a USS Discovery grasping at straws but it also means that Kirk put that entire crew in mortal danger by not warning them about Trelane!
I sure didint hear him say "notify the Discovery not to go get themselves killed by this uber-powerful alien entity".
On the other hand, it would'nt be the first time Kirk left people for dead on some planet.

That was not even an issue, if we are going to split hairs. At that point all they were aware of was the planet...Trelane and his powers were not yet revealed.

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

But if the "discovery" was a starship, would'nt Kirk have mentioned the need to warn them not to go there?

I mean really, your whole case stems from a stray bit of grammar and some CC done decades after the show aired, so I'd have to ask why there was no follow-up.
He never said "...tell the Discovery not to explore that world, in fact we'll quarrentine it!"

MMM is right and his post-quote states the case well.

Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :

....and what is the point or why would there be an urgent need to quarantine or avoid a rogue planet?? The was no implication of danger or reason for concern until Uhura reported the inability to get a transmission out. Why in Gods name are you arguing a need to warn another ship...that was certainly not the nature of the message in the first place, what-so-ever.

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

"That's as silly as Kirk uttering a line of:
'Notify Command of our situation'
Does this line mean there's a USS Command out there in Enterprise's wake and it's the nearest starship?
Of course not: it's just a word, not a proper name."

Actually, as you used it there, it does seem to be a proper name, short for "Starfleet Command". You even capitalized it.

Besides, even acknowledging that "Command" isn't a ship, it's still someone. You can notify Command, you can notify hedquarters, you can notify the admiral, but you can't notify a discovery. A discovery is an event. It would be like saying "notify the explosion" or "notify the telephone call".

"Notify the discovery" only makes sense if "discovery" indicated some person or persons who can be informed about something. If it indicates a ship, the implication is that the crew of the ship are the ones being addressed. The only other explanation would be that Kirk was drunk or something and meant to say "notify [some undisclosed party of] the discovery". Which is likely the original intention, and something went dreadfully wrong somewhere between the writer's brain and Shatner's mouth.

Posted by Shik (Member # 343) on :

I'm surprised that in 3 pages, no one has thought to think of the fact that perhaps he meant to say "note the discovery" & his brain simply got ahead of his lips as is wont to do in some of our cases.

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Futurama Guy:
....and what is the point or why would there be an urgent need to quarantine or avoid a rogue planet?? The was no implication of danger or reason for concern until Uhura reported the inability to get a transmission out. Why in Gods name are you arguing a need to warn another ship...that was certainly not the nature of the message in the first place, what-so-ever.

There you go, over analizing it again. [Roll Eyes]

If there was a USS Discovery, then Kirk would have had to warn then not to go to Gothos after he (as you claim) ordered the USS Discovery to be notified about the mysterious planet (presumably so they could follow up on the anomaly.)
He'd have warned them off once he returned to the Enterprise and began fleeing from Telane.
So, either he neglected to warn another starship of the danger (thereby possibly leaving them to Trlane's tender mercies) or there is no USS Discovery and the line is just a verbal mistake, like so many others in the Trek series.

See now? [Wink]

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

If I were feeling exasperated, and I am, I might venture to say that this whole conversation is ridiculous and silly. Kirk did not reference a ship named Discovery in TOS "The Squire of Gothos." He simply expressed himself in an awkward and not-wholly-grammatically-accurate sentence.

That's not to say that there isn't a ship named Discovery serving in Starfleet or having served in it at some point in the past. But it was NEVER mentioned on TOS or any other aired Star Trek series to date.

Please can't we stop this?

-MMoM [Big Grin]

Posted by Griffworks (Member # 1014) on :

I see pretty valid arguments on both sides, personally. However, I vote in favor of starship Discovery having only now been discovered (heh, heh...) in "The Squire of Gothos"!

Why? [Confused]

'Cause it will exasperate MMoM, of course! [Big Grin]

Sorry, couldn't resist. [Wink]

Seriously, if you go by exactly what is seen on-screen, the idea of a starship w/the name is what you almost have to go with. If you go w/common sense, you must accept that there was no starship Discovery mentioned in the episode and Kirk's brain was running fast in 5th gear while his mouth was still down around 2nd. I lean towards the flub, personally.

Still.... [Razz]

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

There you go, bucking for yet another model to sit on your bench of half-built horrors! [Wink]

I call "Model in a Month Challenge" on you!
(you can even drive me and MMM crazy and make Futurama's day by naming it Discovery !) [Razz]

Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :

I am thinking the request "Notify the Discovery on subspace" was for Captain Kirk to alert a survey ship of the existence of the planet Gothos. After his starship left the area, this ship would do a survey of the planet and report their findings.

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

quote:
Originally posted by newark:
I am thinking the request "Notify the Discovery on subspace" was for Captain Kirk to alert a survey ship of the existence of the planet Gothos. After his starship left the area, this ship would do a survey of the planet and report their findings.

And yes, that would all be well and good and sensical if that's what the author of the script wrote, but it isn't. There was no such intention and so the whole idea has nothing behind it.

Just how much of a pedant do you have to be to say "OMG Captain Kirk didn't use proper grammar! This is terrible and atrocious! We have to come up with an outlandish theory 40 years later to explain the glaring error of it all, and twist the known facts to make it sound plausible!"

Come off it, already...you're making yourself look silly.

-MMoM [Big Grin]

Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :

Hmm..."SWDAO:Mayflower and Discovery"

It's a good thing we are keeping this train wreck on the tracks. [Wink]

Oh and one other thing...

...MMM, this is for you. [Big Grin]

Posted by newark (Member # 888) on :

This is sweet from a guy who includes both Melbournes on his site. Look, dude, intentions change. So, get with the program.

Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :

Lets not forget the good ship Lollipop. [Razz]

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

quote:
Originally posted by newark:
This is sweet from a guy who includes both Melbournes on his site. Look, dude, intentions change. So, get with the program.

Oh that was low blow and you know it... [Cool]

You're quite correct that my inclusion of both Melbournes is indeed ungainly and implausible. I only have it that way because I am ambivilent about which alternative road to take. (Excelsior as seen clearly in "Emissary" or Nebula as originally seen in BoBW and subsequently in "Future Imperfect" and also "Emissary.")

However I feel that is of little or no relevancy to the issue at hand. Sure, sometimes intentions are consciously altered by TPTB (or TIIC - "The Idiots In Charge" - as someone here was calling them recently [Smile]

) but there has never been any such change about this whole thing. The only people ever to even suggest that there was a U.S.S. Discovery mentioned in SoG are message-board fans like you and a few others who just refuse to accept that this is a DEAD ISSUE.

It was a fine idea at the time, but it has long been disproven, ever since clarication was found in the form of the script.

FG:
Thanks, chum. But I'm not getting an ulcer...yet. [Wink]

-MMoM

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Futurama Guy:
Lets not forget the good ship Lollipop.

*ahem*

ORANGE!

Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :

*Ahem* It's still there, regardless to what color it is...perhaps it should be in pepto-pink...there is a higher likilyhood of a ship called Discovery than there is of a USS Lollipop! Btw, hows that ulcer gettin'?? [Big Grin]

Anyway...

So, where is this elusive script? And which version is it? I understand your stance if you are going solely on the final draft, but do you have a first draft to refute this as well?

As we all know there have been other examples of ships being pulled by the final draft (as in "Amok Time" and "Journey To Babel"), until all drafts have been accounted for for "Squire.." then perhaps the writers/proof-readers were just being sloppy due to all the smack Scotty was scoring for Gene and the crew... [Wink]

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

Using some of that smack yourself, I see.... [Big Grin]

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Futurama Guy:
*Ahem* It's still there, regardless to what color it is...perhaps it should be in pepto-pink...there is a higher likilyhood of a ship called Discovery than there is of a USS Lollipop! Btw, hows that ulcer gettin'??

Um...orange means that the ship never actually existed even though it was referenced. (It indicates a false or deceptive reference - another case where it's used is the Dauntless from VGR.)

Just found this:

quote:
Originally posted by Laz1701:
Look at the line as it appeared in the early draft of the script that Blish used for the novelization:

"Lieutenant Uhura, report the discovery of the planet on subspace radio."

Yes, that's right. The original word wasn't even notify. It was "report".

Is the word discovery capitalized, or not? It isn't, is it? I imagine Blish knew what he was doing when he adapted the script, so what we have here is the word "discovery", not the name "Discovery". Are you willing to suggest that somewhere between this draft of the script and the final script which was used to shoot the episode, TPTB decided to invent a ship named Discovery which hadn't been in the earlier draft?

I redirect that last question to you.

I'm going to ask on the TrekBBS is anyone has a copy of the final draft/shooting script and what it says. Then maybe this will...just...DIE! [Mad]

-MMoM

Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :

The thing I don't understand is why you're are throwing a dead guy a bone...Laz isn't even with us anymore...may God rest his soul.

The funny thing is...MMoM is taking this so seriously, and doing way too damn much research...I haven't done anymore research for this than watch the episode...and make product placements as the cure all.

If you really wanna point out the flaws in "Squire.." you should be pointing out how the "computer moniter screen" is moving with the set and has visible wrinkles in it while it sways...

OMG!!....Constitution classes have vinyl projector screens for computers!! Write it up, its canon! [Big Grin]

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

Geez, FG!
So far, you've presented ZERO evidence of there ever being a TOS USS Discovery mentioned anywhere, you also admit that you're basing your assumption on only watching the episode and CC but not reviewing the script.....
On the other hand MMM had made a very strong case and presented the novelization as backup to his argument.

Just admit that in your personal version of Trek there is this mystery vessel and not in canon or any onscreen version of Trek.

Just let it drop: this is how WWI really started, you know.

Posted by The Mighty Monkey of Mim (Member # 646) on :

And the only research I've done is take the time to read the old thread where all the pertinent information is laid out very clearly and directly. The only reason this topic keeps coming back is because individuals who want to preserve the "urban legend" of the U.S.S. Discovery from "Squire of Gothos" keep returning to it every couple of years to confuse and suck in more people who aren't familiar with all the data.

It is all so very much bunk.

-MMoM [Big Grin]

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

A buncha' Hooey, I tells ya! [Big Grin]

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

quote:
Originally posted by newark:
This is sweet from a guy who includes both Melbournes on his site. Look, dude, intentions change. So, get with the program.

Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :

The line in question, in context. (The line itself was already provided by the nearly mythological Frank, but this time, I'm putting in the stuff right before and after it too! For no apparent reason!)

Kirk: "No time to investigate. Science station gather data for computer banks. Uhura, notify the discovery on subspace radio."

Uhura: "Strong interference on subspace, captain. Planet must be a natural radio source."

Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :

My UNFALTERING powers of deduction lead me to conclude that Kirk sucked at stenography.

Posted by Ultra Magnus (Member # 239) on :

quote:

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Seconded!

Posted by Jason Abbadon (Member # 882) on :

So when Kirk says "Note the log", he's really referring to the USS Log (Maple class). [Big Grin]

When he says "Contact the ship" he's really referring to the USS Ship (starship class).
FUck, let's just assume that Kirk drops one liners about starships in the area in every episode while we're at it, after all, Starfleet has millions of ships and most of them are within easy contact range of the Enterprise... [Roll Eyes]

Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Perhaps you don't think that words have definitions, but they do. If you "note x", then x can be anything capable of being thought about or described. If you "notify x", x has to be some entity which can be told about something. You can't tell a discovery about a planet. "Hello, discovery. We've found a planet." Doesn't work that way.

Posted by Spike (Member # 322) on :

quote:
Originally posted by Jason Abbadon:
So when Kirk says "Note the log", he's really referring to the USS Log (Maple class).
When he says "Contact the ship" he's really referring to the USS Ship (starship class).

Maybe you should read TSN's explanation on page 3 (again).

Posted by Cartmaniac (Member # 256) on :

And you should not have resurrected this thread. 8)

Posted by Futurama Guy (Member # 968) on :

USS Lollipop

*shakes head in shame*