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Not much to say about these two. It pretty much comes down to what you consider to be believable, and that's usually different for each person. USS Discovery- supposedly mentioned in the Squire of Gothos. Not mentioned in Encyclopedia(first or second versions) and main arguments come to the use of the word Discovery. Kirk says "Notify the 'Discovery' over subspace". Some have taken this to be notify our discovery, in which case it is not a ship. The former however does seem to denote that the ship Discovery does exist and that Kirk wants to contact it. On the other hand, chances are that Shatner simply misspoke. If we go by on-screen info, there is definately a ship called Discovery, but not necessarily Starfleet.
USS Mayflower- Much more straight forward. This ship name can be seen in the 2nd encyclopedia on some cargo logos. Some take the fact that it was in an official book to to say that it does in fact "exist" in the ST official universe. Others consider it only to be clip art that was thrown in as filler. There is no evidence to say that the Mayflower's insignia appeared on DS9, but of course, there is not evidence against the fact either.
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I was under the impression that he said "inform the Discovery/discovery". However, either way, it's a transitive verb. Discovery has to the object. You cannot inform a discovery; you can only inform someone of a discovery.
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quote:Originally posted by USS Vanguard: There is no evidence to say that the Mayflower's insignia appeared on DS9, but of course, there is not evidence against the fact either.
The Mayflower-label appeared in "Family Business".
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Necromancer!
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Well, I thought it wasn't worth a new topic.
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so there's no Discovery but there is a uss mayflower.
change the title to SWAO and lock it.
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Good God! I wondered what an SWDAO thread was doing there. . . Now we get all the people saying "What's SWDAO?" and then they go to the link, then they start nitpicking. . . Just remember the bloody page hasn't been updated since about 1999. 8)
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I remember SWDAO (the website, not the Flare threads)...
At least it's cool to see that something like this can actually be confirmed!
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The is opposed to the indefinite article a or an, and is used specifically when reference is made to a particular person, thing, or group. The New International Webster's College Dictionary of the English Language, 2002.
So, there is a Discovery.
And, there is the space shuttle Discovery .
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Outside of grammar usage, the word in the 'cc' was italicized as DISCOVERY, indicating the name of something/a ship. Also, being as 'cc' is all caps it's impossible to tell if the 'd' was also capitalized as in proper name form. Now whether or not SciFi Channel gets its' 'cc' from the script or not is another question, it is still curious that it is not mentioned in any other Trek references, if the Discovery does exist.
It does seem odd that Kirk would randomly refer to a ship in a 'one-liner' and not make any other reference to it. My take on the 'Discovery Theory', is that there is a Discovery, or so it was intended originally, however, all references otherwise didn't make the episode cut.
My theory, as follows: The Enterprise was on its way to deliver supplies to Beta VI, it is conceivable that in an original version of the script the Enterprise received those supplies from another ship, such as the Discovery. The Discovery could have made the transfer to them in the original script but was cut in a rewrite (as far as the transfer, but not as far as the 'contact the Discovery' part).
We've seen before that they have taken on transfers from the Potemkin (twice), so its not something out of the norm in that respect. Also, though not from the same series, there is evidence of other ships that were intended for used in scripts but ultimately cut in the end as well...such as the Garuda.
In the end, it 'tis something to at least consider, as I have not seen any other theories on this taken in such a manner.
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Scraping the very bottom of the barrell for new starships in light of no more Trek movies being made. All hope is truly lost.
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