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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Siegfried</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,17,16,4,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 17, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:04 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> If nobody minds, I decided to give a go at doing a SWDAO on the USS Farragut. By the way, there are possible spoilers for Generations, Nor the Battle to the Strong, and Chrysalis (hey, just covering my bases).<p>At the end of Star Trek: Generations, three starships arrive at Veridian III to rescue the Enterprise-D survivors. One of them is the Nebula-class USS Farragut (NCC-60597). This establishes that the Farragut was a Nebula-class starship.<p>The next time the Farragut is mentioned is in the Deep Space Nine episode "Nor the Battle to the Strong." Here, it is reported that the Farragut was destroyed by the Klingons at Ajilon Prime.<p>Now here's the problem. The Farragut is mentioned in another Deep Space Nine episode: "Chrysalis." At the establishing shot, there is an Excelsior-class starship docked at Deep Space Nine. Some people believe that the Excelsior seen in this episode is the Farragut. If this is the case, then either Starfleet is still constructing Excelsiors or Starfleet pulled out an old Excelsior and renamed her Farragut. Other people believe that the Farragut was not seen in the episode. She simply delivered the Jack Pack and left on a mission only to return later to pick them up.<p>Now, if the Farragut is Excelsior class now, this means that either Starfleet is still constructing Excelsiors (which have served Starfleet for 80 years) or Starfleet plucked an old Excelsior and renamed it Farragut (but what is the reason for this?). But if the Farragut was not really the ship seen docked at Deep Space 9, why did the camera hang onto that Excelsior? That shot implies that the Farragut is Excelsior. Truth is, it was never mentioned what class the Farragut is now.<p>Okay, ladies and gentlemen, get to criticizing.<P>------------------<BR>"Some people call me the Space Cowboy. Yeah! Some call me the Gangster of Love. Some people call me Maurice. Whoo hoo! 'Cause I speak of the Pompatus of Love!" - Steve Miller Band's The Joker<br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Shadow</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,17,16,11,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 17, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:11 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Actually, that pretty much covers it...great job. <IMG SRC="http://solareclipse.net/Forums/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR> <A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://frankg.dgne.com/</A> <br>"Speak softly, drive a Sherman tank." - TMBG <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Bernd</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,17,16,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 17, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:22 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I have nothing to add this time. <P>------------------<BR>"No, thanks. I've had enough. One more cup and I'll jump to warp." (Janeway, asked if she would like some coffee in "Once upon a Time")<br> <A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/" TARGET=_blank>www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/</A> <br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fabrux</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,17,18,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 17, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:22 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> You won't get a peep out of me *peep* Whoops<p>But seriously, I accept this Excelsior-class Farragut, although I have no idea if they built a new one or renamed an old one, which, to me, doesn't make sense. <P>------------------<BR>Star Trek: Dark Horizon<br>Creator, Owner, Only Writer<br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Shipbuilder</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,17,18,25,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 17, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:25 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I firmly believe this is a case of stock footage fever. I find it difficult that there would be an Excelsior class Farragut for obvious reasons. I know the Jack pack arrived aboard the Farragut, but I don't remember for sure if they were supposed to be leaving on the Farragut. If they left on the Farragut then the Excelsior class ship wasn't the Farragut because it was still docked at DS9 after the pack had left. Gotta go back and check that one out.<br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>nfaw</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,17,18,38,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 17, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:38 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I don't know how closely episode novelizations are to the actual scripts but the novel for WYLB mentions the Farragut as being the flagship for Admiral Ross during the final battle with the Dominion. I don't think Ross would use an old Excelsior for his flagship but I guess you never know. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,17,21,36,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 17, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:36 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Was the <i>Excelsior</i> the only ship at DS9 at the beginning of "Chrysalis"? If there was a <i>Yeager</i> or something flying around in the background, it could be that...<P>------------------<BR>"If you hear only one song this year, there's something terribly wrong with you."<br>-They Might Be Giants, "Critic Intro" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>grb</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,17,21,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 17, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:47 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Or if there was a defiant-class starship docked at DS9, that could be the farragut, and the USS Definat could have been docked at the toehr side.<P>------------------<BR>"How many people does it take before it becomes wrong?"- Jean-Luc Picard<p>"Fortune Favors the Bold."- Benjamin Sisko<p>"And so, the warriors, the peacemakers, the helpers, the saviors, the forgotten, and the remembered, they all signed on that data padd and peace was made."- Shannon London-Karkarsku, leader of the Unisist Movement<p>Captain Alex Herenwhiner,<br>Transwarp inter-dimension timeship explorer U.S.S. Liberty<p><p><p><p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jamaharon</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,17,22,54,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 17, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:54 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I didn't see the episode, but for now I accept the Farragut as Excelsior class. I suppose we'll have to wait for the new Encyclopedia to come out in the Fall to be sure.<p>------------------<br> <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Canal/6569/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Canal/6569/</A> <br>"You're young," said Athos. "Your bitter memories still have time to turn into sweet ones."<p><br><p><small>[This message was edited by Jamaharon on June 17, 1999.]</small> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The First One</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,18,12,8,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 18, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:08 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It's all too pat. I don't think that ship was meant to be the <i>Farragut</i>, and the reasoning to make it so is almost as ludicrous as the question asked by some newbie once - "what is the name and registry of the <i>Nebula</i> seen in the original DS9 credits?" It was just stock footage establishing the scene. Next someone will be asking whether those people you always see in the gardens at Starfleet Academy have to walk along that path at the same time every day, and if it's some sort of ritual or something. . .<p>Has anyone considered that the <i>Farragut</i> might not have been completely destroyed? <i>Voyager</i> was 'destroyed' after all. As soon as the report came in, Sisko was out the door because he knew that his son was in a warzone and the only heavy ship support might now be gone. He wasn't going to wait for the confirmation. . . <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Trinculo</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,18,12,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 18, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:48 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The First One<br>The footage of the Nebula Class starship in the opening credits is new to the episode "The Way of the Warrior". I agree that after that episode the footage became stock. The only episodes before "The Way of the Warrior" to show a Nebula Class starship docked at DS9 ("Second Sight", "Explorers") show the ship at the lower three pylons. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>bryce</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,18,12,52,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 18, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:52 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> As far a the novelization goes I have a hard time believing the Admiral would be on a Nebula class at all. Seems to me, he'd be on a Galaxy. Possibly the one seen firing phasers while at a dead stop.<P>------------------<BR>"Everything I needed to learn in life I learned from Optimus Prime."<p>Rule #3 : Whenever someone under you screws up make sure you teach them a lesson more so than you punish them.<p><p><p><p><p><p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>jh</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,18,13,4,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 18, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:04 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I thought that the Farragut was mentioned in the "Statistical Probabilities" ep of the Jack Pack, and that an Intrepid class was seen scooting by. <p>But, back to the subject, doesn't the first encylopedia list the Farragut as a Nebula class? <P>------------------<BR>Proverbs for Paranoids, 3: If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Jamaharon</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,18,13,12,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 18, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:12 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> jh:<p>The 1st Encyclopedia doesn't list the Nebula Class Farragut. To my knowledge, it only lists the Constitution class Farragut. It was published before Generations was released.<p>On my Nebula Class page ( <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Canal/6569/sufp/nebula.htm" TARGET=_blank>http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Canal/6569/sufp/nebula.htm</A> ), I have the Nebula class Farragut as destroyed.<p>In "Nor the Battle to the Strong...", Dax mentioned the Farragut as intercepted by the Klingons. Klingons have a way of destroying things.<P>------------------<BR> <A HREF="http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Canal/6569" TARGET=_blank>http://www.geocities.com/BourbonStreet/Canal/6569</A> <br>"You're young," said Athos. "Your bitter memories still have time to turn into sweet ones."<p><p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>jh</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,18,15,40,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 18, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:40 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I think I was thinking of Endeavour. I remember looking one of them up and seeing it was Nebula. Oh well. I do remember it being destroyed in "Nor the Battle to the Strong..."<P>------------------<BR>Proverbs for Paranoids, 3: If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about answers. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The First One</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,18,19,33,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 18, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:33 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Jammykins: I'm sure it says on your page - what was the URL again? I'm so desensitized by overspamming these days, casual references tend not to be noticed - that it was destroyed. If the <i>Nebula Farragut</i> ever turns up again, you be sure to sue Okuda, Paramount and Viacom for contradicting you.<p>The point I'm making is, we didn't see it destroyed. It was only reported as such. So it's not beyond the bounds of probability that it wasn't. The <i>Drake</i> was reported destoyed yet turned up again on DS9. The registry of the <i>Yamato</i> was reported as NCC-1305-E. The <i>Defiant</i> was reported as being 170m when it was shown for three years as 120m.<p>Can we just be a little bit flexible now and then? <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,19,1,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 19, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:43 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Uh... There were two <i>Drakes</i>...<P>------------------<BR>"If you hear only one song this year, there's something terribly wrong with you."<br>-They Might Be Giants, "Critic Intro" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The First One</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,19,7,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 19, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:46 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I think we've already covered this in another SWDAO, or a thread I created. More than likely here were two, but the Encyclopaedia says it was the same one. So either the Enc II is wrong (unheard of!) or the ship survived - its fate was left rather vague in "The Arsenal of Freedom."<p>But the details aren't important here. The point I'm trying to make is that not everything is certain. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The Shadow</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,19,13,39,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 19, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:39 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> No, the encyclopedia said there were two in the ship list...the listing of the two events in the one Drake entry was probably an editing error.<P>------------------<BR> <A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://frankg.dgne.com/</A> <br>"Speak softly, drive a Sherman tank." - TMBG <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Michael_T</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,20,2,53,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 20, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:53 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Hasn't anyone thought of that there was an Excelsior Class USS Farragut then a Nebula Class USS Farragut was built?<P>------------------<BR>"But I want it that way" <p>-Backstreet Boys<p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Siegfried</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,20,13,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 20, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:30 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I've thought about that, Michael_T. The Excelsior Farragut could have been decommissioned when the Nebula Farragut entered service (or earlier). But it just doesn't seem right to pull those old ships out of retirement when the newer one gets blown to hell (if that was the fate of the Nebula Farragut. She might not have been completely destroyed like The First One said).<P>------------------<BR>"Some people call me the Space Cowboy. Yeah! Some call me the Gangster of Love. Some people call me Maurice. Whoo hoo! 'Cause I speak of the Pompatus of Love!" - Steve Miller Band's The Joker<br> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Cargile</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,20,17,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 20, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:35 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> If there is no actual dialog stating that the Nebula class Faragut was destroyed--completely disentergrated--then we shouldn't assume that it was. Klingons don't always kill the one's they do battle with. Kirk was ordered by Klingon commanders on some occasions to surrender his ship. Kirk never did, but if he did, I doubt the Klingons would have opened fire. That would be cowardly and dishonest.<P>------------------<BR>"Meesa love yousa long time."<p><i>Jar Jar Binks, Vietnam, 1967.</i><p><p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,20,19,47,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 20, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:47 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, some Klingons seem to have differing ideas of what is and is not honorable...<P>------------------<BR>Brain: "Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"<br>Pinky: "I think so, Brain, but, if you get a long little doggie, wouldn't you just call it a 'dachshund'?" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Mikey T</b> <br /><small>Member # 144</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,26,2,12,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 26, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">02:12 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Who says the Excelsior Class USS Farragut was decommissioned before Starfleet built a Nebula Class Farragut. Look at the Lexington ships: there was a Constitution Class one that was destroyed, an Excelsior Class one that met with the Enterprise-D, and the Nebula Class one that docked at Deep Space Nine. <P>------------------<BR>"But I want it that way" <p>-Backstreet Boys<p> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,5,26,16,32,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">June 26, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:32 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> No, the encyclopedia <i>claims</i> there was an <i>Excelsior</i>-class one, but it was never seen, and canonical evidence suggests (quite convincingly) otherwise.<P>------------------<BR>Brain: "Are you pondering what I'm pondering?"<BR>Pinky: "I think so, Brain, but, if you get a long little doggie, wouldn't you just call it a 'dachshund'?" <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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