My friends,I have an issue to discuss. It is about ships in star trek games(Starfleet Academy, Starfleet Command, etc.). Should they be considered canon?? Paramount is giving its ok for them, so I consider it canon! Opinions....
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
No.
Posted by Trinculo on :
If the ships in the games do not conflict with the facts of the films, episodes, and encyclopedias, I feel the ships can be considered canonical for completeness sake. I would not say this about non-Paramount authorized items. I would like to see a full list of ships from the games.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
No. IMHO starships in games fall along the same lines as ships in novels. The novels are authorized by Paramount, but the policy is that only what ever is seen on TV or movies is official.
Ships in Paramount-authorised games, books, etc. are considered official. They are merely not canon.
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Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
It doesn't matter whether it's canon or not. With DS9 writers including references to the animated series the idea that there's a clear line between canon and non-canon has been proved to be rubbish.
The simple rule of thumb is that if it's in a movie or episode (except TAS) then it's canon.
If it's in one of the 'official' books (Encyclopedia, Chronology, TNG TM, DS9 TM) then it's often considered to be 'official' or 'semi-canon'.
Everything else is non-canon. But as someone once said "Just because it's non-canon doesn't mean that it has to be wrong, just that it doesn't have to be right".
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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
Of course, but you cannot simply mix these in a single file with the canon ships, otherwise people are not going to know that those ships need not be considered in a discussion.
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Posted by Identity Crisis (Member # 67) on :
As I always say: label your sources and let other people make their own minds up.
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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
*writes it down for his .sig*
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Posted by Curry Monster (Member # 12) on :
I agree with IDC. Show your sources, and let people base their conclusion on your argument.
To answer your question though, I wouldn't count games as canon as they were not written / constructed by the same team of writers that did the series.
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Posted by Mucus (Member # 24) on :
Well I guess the real question is whether it was meant to be accurate.
My guess is that the FPS games like Honor Guard are as realistic to Trek as Quake is to real warfare, that is to say not at all. Voyager:Elite force may be interesting however since the levels are supposed to be created straight off the Paramount blueprints of Voyager.
Starfleet Command is based off some Star Trek Battles thing, so it should be fun As for realism, it will probably be as canon as any fan creation. (not very, but close)
Star Trek: New Worlds, no. Almost all of it was created solely for the game.
Star Trek Armada will be as realistic to Star Trek as C&C or Panzer General 2 are to real warfare, pretty realistic but still not there.
I doubt any of the games will truly be accepted as canon, but the point was to make a game and not an encylopedia.
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Well, I was checking out 2 new Star Trek Games at Interplay, Starfleet Command and Klingon Academy, and when looking at screen shots, I found something interesting. Both games use almost exactly the same classes of ships, and I mean non-canon ships. From the screen shots alone for Klingon Academy, I got classes like Akula class destroyer, Yamato class experimental battleship, and Ulysses class dreadnaught (which someone pointed out earlier as being in Starfleet Command. It can be seen in the Starfleet Command add in Issue 2 of Star Trek: The Magazine). There is a picture of a fleet size chart which shows about 10 classes or so, with the Yamato being the largest and the Oberth the smallest. Oh, and if your wandering what some of these ships look like, here are some pics:
As for realism, it will probably be as canon as any fan creation. (not very, but close)