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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Black Knight</b> <br /><small>Member # 134</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,7,17,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 07, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:22 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I have found a new problem regarding the Delta Flyer. But this is with its armament, not its size.<P>"Extreme Risk"--Photonic missiles from black things just forward of bussards<P>"Thirty Days"--Photonic missiles and phasers from who knows where<P>"Dark Frontier"--Photonic missiles from rear launchers that look just like the forward ones.<P>no problems yet...<P>Voyager cutaway poster--they call the photonic missile launchers phasers (uh oh) along with the black thing behind the bussard (which the latter is ok with me), also gives it a micro torpedo launcher underneath the nose (which is purely conjectural).<P>I'm just about to disregard the poster when...<P>Issue 4 pg. 110--Photonic missile launchers look like phasers (uh oh), and black thing behind bussards do not.<P>So, here's what I think:<BR>Photonic Missile launchers--4, two infront of each bussard, two in the back above the door.<BR>Phasers--3, one behind each bussard, one underneath horizontally like Voyager.<BR>Micro Torpedo launchers--0<P>but i still can't explain the pic in the back of issue 4.<P>Comments?<P>------------------<BR>"If I get lost, I'll just follow the ship infront of us."-Ensign Nog <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Michael Dracon</b> <br /><small>Member # 4</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,7,19,7,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 07, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:07 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I can't say anything until I've seen that picture.<P>------------------<BR>"Calm may work for Locutus of the Borg here, but I'm freaked out, and I intend to stay that way!"<P>- Xander, <I>Buffy the Vampire Slayer</I> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fabrux</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,7,19,53,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 07, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:53 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Here's the picture Altair<P> <IMG SRC="http://fabrux.virtualave.net/deltaflyer.jpg"> <P>Now this should help in our little discussion<P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://fabrux.virtualave.net" TARGET=_blank>Fabrux's Starship Page</A> <P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Michael Dracon</b> <br /><small>Member # 4</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,7,20,18,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 07, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:18 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'd say they are both standard phaser strips, judging by this picture. I must add that I surprise myself by saying this.....<P>The only thing I can think of, is that is some sort of 2-in-1 thing<P>------------------<BR>"Calm may work for Locutus of the Borg here,<BR>but I'm freaked out, and I intend to stay that way!"<P>- Xander, <I>Buffy the Vampire Slayer</I> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Michael Dracon</b> <br /><small>Member # 4</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,7,20,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 07, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:35 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I found a total of 9 of these 'phaser strips' or whatever they are, and something I think are either also 'phaser strips' (one on each side) or just shadows.<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.angelfire.com/az/Altair3/images/df001.jpg"> <P>There is also a possibility that the aft-ventral 'phaser strips' shown here are the aft landing gear, with the forward landing gear being above the V in Ventral.<P>------------------<BR>"Calm may work for Locutus of the Borg here,<BR>but I'm freaked out, and I intend to stay that way!"<P>- Xander, <I>Buffy the Vampire Slayer</I><p>[This message has been edited by Altair (edited July 07, 1999).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Black Knight</b> <br /><small>Member # 134</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,7,20,42,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 07, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:42 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well that thing next to the rear door is just a shadow I think, and those two things parallel to each other underneath are landing pads. And that one you called a phaser strip-well I'm pretty sure I saw a photonic missile come out of it.<P>------------------<BR>"If I get lost, I'll just follow the ship infront of us."-Ensign Nog <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Michael Dracon</b> <br /><small>Member # 4</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,7,20,56,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 07, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:56 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> So that brings us to 7 weapon locations, which are either phaser strips, or photonic missile launchers or both. And possibly 1 or 2 forward micro torpedo launcher(s), if you believe the cutaway diagram.<P>------------------<BR>"Calm may work for Locutus of the Borg here,<BR>but I'm freaked out, and I intend to stay that way!"<P>- Xander, <I>Buffy the Vampire Slayer</I> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,8,0,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 08, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">12:22 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Okay, could someone tell me what the difference is between a "photonic missile" and a photon torpedo?<P>------------------<BR>"Imagine all the people, living life in peace..."<BR>-John Lennon, "Imagine" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Mikey T</b> <br /><small>Member # 144</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,8,4,46,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 08, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:46 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The photonic missle is similar to the holographic doctor and the photon torpedo is similar to the quantum torpedo.<P>------------------<BR>"...the sky's the limit."<P>Picard's last words in "All Good Things..."<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>deadcujo</b> <br /><small>Member # 13</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,8,5,28,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 08, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:28 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> So, the missiles are held together with photons or something?<P>------------------<BR>The Unknown Vulcan<BR> <A HREF="http://www.pyros.org" TARGET=_blank>www.pyros.org</A> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Michael Dracon</b> <br /><small>Member # 4</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,8,5,53,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 08, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:53 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I THINK it is more like a phaser cannon then a missile.<P>------------------<BR>"Calm may work for Locutus of the Borg here,<BR>but I'm freaked out, and I intend to stay that way!"<P>- Xander, <I>Buffy the Vampire Slayer</I> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Black Knight</b> <br /><small>Member # 134</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,9,22,51,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 09, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:51 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I've been looking over some of my recorded voyagers and this is what I found:<P>In 'Dark Frontier,' when the Delta Flyer engages into transwarp, both of the dark areas infront of and behind the bussard are phasers. When the Delta Flyer disengages from transwarp, another phaser can be seen ventrally. And when the Flyer is flying through the Borg Unimatrix complex with its butt towards us, those aft ones are phasers as well. Also when the DF engages into transwarp, an indention is noticeable infront of the lower hull.<P>So, I think that the Delta Flyer has 7 phaser arrays.<BR>Now the question is, is the launcher under the nose a photon torpedo launcher, micro torpedo launcher, or a photonic missile launcher. And where did those photonic missiles come from on 'Extreme Risk'.<P>If anyone could get screencaps, that would be awesome.<P>oh, and the Delta Flyer DOES have retractable nacelles!<BR>I saw them, when you see the close up in Dark Frontier when it goes to transwarp, and when it is being shot at by the queen's ship.<P>------------------<BR>"If I get lost, I'll just follow the ship infront of us."-Ensign Nog <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Antagonist</b> <br /><small>Member # 76</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,9,23,23,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 09, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:23 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Photonic missiles are another treknophrase, of course, however I suppose if you'd like to explain it somehow I could try.<P>Missiles are usually projectiles of some sort, so particle emissions are ruled out if we take the name literally.<P>The difference between a torpedo and a missile is...well, planetary usage. I am going to assume that these are simple micro torpedoes that use some sort of Borg technology - this was stated in "Extreme Risk".<P>------------------<BR>' *Bludgeons Antag* '<BR>Frank G, seriously injuring one of the Forums most valued members.<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Michael Dracon</b> <br /><small>Member # 4</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,10,6,54,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 10, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:54 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *Can't wait until he can see 'Dark Frontier'*<P>I'll check 'Extreme Risk'.<P>------------------<BR>"Calm may work for Locutus of the Borg here,<BR>but I'm freaked out, and I intend to stay that way!"<P>- Xander, <I>Buffy the Vampire Slayer</I> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Michael Dracon</b> <br /><small>Member # 4</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,10,7,20,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 10, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:20 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I think I found it!!<P>The phaser strip has a small gap in it, which is the EXACT same spot where the photonic missiles come from in 'Extreme Risk' (red arrow). I also marked a possible new phaser strip on the botton of the nacelle at the same spot as the one on top of the nacelle (blue arrow). If that is true, we'll have 9 'weapon strips' !!<P> <IMG SRC="http://www.angelfire.com/az/Altair3/images/dfph.jpg"> <P>------------------<BR>"Calm may work for Locutus of the Borg here,<BR>but I'm freaked out, and I intend to stay that way!"<P>- Xander, <I>Buffy the Vampire Slayer</I> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Black Knight</b> <br /><small>Member # 134</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,10,11,6,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 10, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:06 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yes, I saw it too!<BR>It does indeed now have 9 phaser arrays! Still looking for screencaps of Dark Frontier.<P>Though I think that gap is just a flaw in the picture, because I don't see it in the pic at the top of the thread.<P>------------------<BR>"If I get lost, I'll just follow the ship infront of us."-Ensign Nog<p>[This message has been edited by Black Knight (edited July 10, 1999).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Michael Dracon</b> <br /><small>Member # 4</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,10,11,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 10, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:13 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> You can't see the gap in that picture (the first pic in this thread I presume) because that region is to black to notice the difference.<P>------------------<BR>"Calm may work for Locutus of the Borg here,<BR>but I'm freaked out, and I intend to stay that way!"<P>- Xander, <I>Buffy the Vampire Slayer</I><P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Black Knight</b> <br /><small>Member # 134</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,10,11,27,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 10, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:27 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> ok, we'll just see in the new STmag diagrams next month<P>------------------<BR>"If I get lost, I'll just follow the ship infront of us."-Ensign Nog <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Michael Dracon</b> <br /><small>Member # 4</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(1999,6,10,13,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">July 10, 1999</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:30 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Good idea!!<BR>I hope someone will scan the blueprints they promised will be in it.<P>------------------<BR>"Calm may work for Locutus of the Borg here,<BR>but I'm freaked out, and I intend to stay that way!"<P>- Xander, <I>Buffy the Vampire Slayer</I><P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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