This was brought to my attention in a recent e-mail: What if the infamous Intrepid-Constitution kitbash in the DS9TM is actually supposed to depict the Intrepid prototype? What if this ship was actually in the background of some DS9 episode?
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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
I remember seeing the first diagram in Star Trek Monthly as early Voyager concept sketches. I'm sure it's the same ship.
The second one, though, is new to me. Not as bad looking as the first, but it is a kitbash. And you know how I feel about the majority of them. This one isn't bad, as things go.
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
Yipe! I'm getting Dauntless flashbacks...
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Hardly canon, that Intrepid prototype. And I always though it looked too much like the Battlestar Galactica.
There are photos of an actual model of the first one in "The Art of Star Trek."
Posted by Starship Voyager on :
Bernd, you're very right about the custom part designed for the Intrepid/Constitution schematic alone. In my opinion, it's a new design that should've been used for some of the earlier ships we hear but see nothing about. Kitbashing it into an Intrepid hull seems to imply that technology and designs some 80 years apart are so flimsy that a combination could actually work; somehow it feels very wrong. It's like trying to weed a field with a cow behind the electric weeder -- but then again, Trek's only as real as we want it to be.
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
I agree, the Intrepid/Constitution Variant appears to be a representation of the Voyager concept model that appears in the book 'Art of Star Trek'. And yes, the inspiration for the Dauntless probably came from the concept model. My web-site actually has a bit of a spiel on this subject.
Bernd, are you suggesting that the actual USS Intrepid looks like the Voyager concept model? This would mean that USS Voyager is the first of its kind(!).
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Not necessarily true, there is no proof to say Voyager was the second Intrepid class starship built
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
It would be paradox to name the class after a ship that looks completely different than the other ships of this class. Anyway, if there is a name conflict it is because the model is labeled USS Voyager NCC-73???.
Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
I remember seeing a schematic of what the real Intrepid Class prototype is supposed to look like. I think it was in the SSD web page. The ship looked like Voyager, but the nacelle pylons were from the Danube Class runabouts which has the nacelles in the same position like the Nebula Class.
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
I was only teasing you, Bernd The USS Intrepid should be practically identical to USS Voyager. Voyager probably was the first production Intrepid-class ship.
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
Wasn't it said that Voyager was the second ship in a batch of 4??
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
There is no canon evidence on the number of Intrepid class ships. The Voyager pilot points out that Voyager is an exceptionally maneuverable ship in a dialogue between Janeway and Paris, but this could mean that it's just a brand new ship (class) and not that Voyager is one of only a few ships or even the only one of its kind.
The Fact Files say there are only two Intrepid class ships, but this is clearly disproven by the USS Bellerophon.
Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
We'd have to look at some starship construction chronologies to estimate how many Intrepids there are at the moment, however, the variable-geometry concept appears to have been experimental as late as 2367 (when TNGTM was published). It would be great if Rick Sternbach could make that TNGTM concept the initial stage, then switch to the prototype, and then the Voyager model as the final concept.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
What has to be decided here is whether, as with the Nebula preceding the Galaxy (when you'd think the opposite would be the case), the Yeager precedes the Intrepid. You might then have a case for the Intrepid being developed using existing starship components, for while the prototype doesn't have an Intrepid saucer, it's close. . .
The USS Intrepid should be practically identical to USS Voyager. Voyager probably was the first production Intrepid-class ship.