Can any one get a ship count from the fleet yard in "Relativity"? In a pic in Star Trek The Magazine issue #6 I can see 2 Akira's, 1 Steamrunner, 2 Excelsior's and a Galaxy. The registry on one of the Excelsior's is not completely clear but it looks like 42-something with only 4 numbers.
There are pictures of the episode which shows more ships. There was also a Nebula Class, a Saber Class, a runabout, work bees, a thing that looks like the Spinx workpod from the TNG Tech Manual, a large obital complex, a Steamrunner Class, and of course USS Voyager.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
A Sabre? Ooh!
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Two Galaxies. Maybe three.
Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Is anyone going to paste this picture from issue #6, I can only assume it will bew gloriously crisp and clear, not like some screen caps that are around...
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Well, there's one in Issue 5... I could post that but I don't have Issue 6 yet, Andrew...
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
Well Andrew, I have pictures from that Voyager episode, I just don't know how to post it.
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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :
Well I got mine from Pedro.
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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
The image of UP from The Magazine is very crisp. I have yet to get it, but as soon as I do I'll scan it and post it (unless someone beats me to it.)
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Posted by Galen (Member # 72) on :
Well someone else can try to post. I tried. As a jpeg, it came out blurry. As either a gif or a bmp the file size is much too large.
Hobbes: They should have. They are indeed there. GeoCities may be having some problems.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, well, well... Who would've thought... Did everyone notice the registry on that Excelsior? It's our old friend, NCC-42111... *rolls eyes*
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Who's the 42111?
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Ohh, it's one of those oft-reused ships, such as in "A Time to Stand"?
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
The NCC-42111 was seen during the Dominion War.
Maybe the Excelsior CGI Model still has the number NCC-42111 on it, and they haven't changed it since then
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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
I started this thread saying that. But the registry in the photo from the mag looked like it only had 4 numbers iirc.
The pic worked this time. It's a very nice image, I'd like to use it on my site, but that caption is a distraction.
Yeah, in the mag it looks a lot more like 4281 or 4821.. which, of course, would make it a VERY old Excelsior.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Perhaps... uhh... it's just getting repaired?
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
The second number seems odd. It appears as if a 1 has been attached to it. The registry looks like NCC-42181
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I think the rason it looks like only four numbers is that the three ones take up a lot less space than any three other numbers. Of course, it also may not be 42111. I just think it looked like it when I ran it through the "Sharpen" filter in Photoshop...
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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :
Maybe they were doing something to the hull and the 5th number has not been painted on yet?
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Posted by Galen (Member # 72) on :
It looks like either 4281 or 42111. Anyone know anyone at Foundation Imaging?
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
The first two and the last digit are obvious. The space in between seems to contain only one digit (most likely "8" or maybe "0") at the first glance. On the other hand, when I move my eyes, I suddenly see "11" instead. There is one clear argument pro "11": The digits 2 through 9 have the same width in the hull font, but the 3rd digit, if there are only 4 altogether, seems to be narrower. So this space is more likely filled with "11", since this combination could be still narrower than one of the wide digits.
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
I'd like to see a screencap from "A Time to Stand" with the NCC-42111 as a reference (width of digits).
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
So I take it we have a new Excelsior-class ship to add to ours list (for those of us who keep one)? Just need to settle on a registry for it.
Now, this is why I don't record every starship It must be a headache.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
No, it's fun. 8)
The main problem is getting your initial list started. Tim very kindly gave me a copy of his, and I've been keeping it updated quite nicely ever since. At least once or twice a season, someone will start a 'new ships so far' thread, and you'll be able to check the ones you've missed. But with only Voyager on now, there may not be very many. . . 8(
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Looking at the pic again and again, I'm sure it's 42111 and therefore no new ship.
Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
From a distance, the last three digits look like '111.' But when you zoom and enhance, the middle digit looks lessand less like a '1,' making it 'xx011.' But I'm not at all convinced that the first digits are '42.'
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
I got a great list in TXT format on my computer. It includes almost every known Starfleet vessel. But it can be fun, always looking and listening for new ships and classes. Especially when they show a new ship class.
Updating a starship list can be a fun past time. I started years ago using Chreighton's list as a base and expanded from there, eventually branching out to all known ships of the various alien races.
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Posted by Galen (Member # 72) on :
Updating a starship list can be a fun past time. I started years ago using Chreighton's list as a base and expanded from there, eventually branching out to all known ships of the various alien races.
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
Yeah, I once made a database of all the starships. One day I needed to format my hard drive and forgot to backup the file. Luckily, I had previously printed out the list. By now it would be quite out of date, though. Obtaining the correct registrations is definately the hardest. I do sympathize, guys.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Oh, lists are great fun, though I fear the desire to create them says something about my state of mind.
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
I still have my starship list. All 300+ Fed ships on it. Just have it tucked away in a nice Excel file, really small in size. Yest it includes names, classes, registries, commanding officer, status, and episodes.
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
I only had a had-written, hard-to-update list of ships, until I created my online version. I actually never thought of another, more convenient format (such as Excel) since.
Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Excel is essential. Then you can sort it by name, class, registry - whatever's needed at the time.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Note pad all the way! It's small file size and easy to edit! Go note pad!
Remind me to use my Admin privileges to change your name to Luddite. Excel is equally easy to edit, and separate fields help make info more easily viewable.
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Excel is evil! (Because it's a Microsoft product.)
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
I actually have two lists...one on Notepad and one in a spreadsheet. The first is just for recording new ships as I learn of them, and the second lets me organize them in nifty ways.
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Who is Luddite?
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Not a who, but a what.
In general terms, a luddite is someone who is against technology. Usually, anything after the Industrial Revolution is bad. It comes from a... (Quick research), an 18th century Leicestershire man named Ned Ludd who destroyed labor-saving machinery as a protest.
In the above context, the term luddite is meant in humorous terms, usually when someone is not quite on the cutting edge of the technological wave.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
*rolls eyes*
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Thanks. Don't be amazed if I'm frequently using this word in future posts, especially when I'm talking about myself and my lacking appreciation of modern software.
Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
OK, now we got that settled, what does '�bermann' mean? I hope not what I think it does, because. . .
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It means superman, doesn't it?
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
That's what I'm afraid of.
Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
Notepad?? What's that? I use Texturizer. Everything you always wanted to have in Notepad is in there, and more!!!
Well, _I_ keep my starship lists (TOS and TNG-Era) on an old Canon Starwriter 70 Word-processor.. which is COMPLETELY incompatible with anything else!
*munches raw mammoth*
mumble mumble grumph...
Oh, yeah, and my starship list includes every non-canon ship I could find from the S&S novels and the new RPGs. So bleah. :P
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Posted by Jeff Raven (Member # 20) on :
Well, owning a copy of The Magazine, and a magnifying glass....it looks very much like "4201" or "4281". The 0/8 is not two 1s, because the outer edges are curved, and not pointed, as the 1 on the end is...
Now, which is it, and 8 or a 0?
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Okay, somebody needs to rescan just the registry and do it at the highest zoom and resolution settings possible... :-)
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Okay. I can do that...
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
That's the best my scanner can do, unfortunately.
Not much help, is it?
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
Actually, it does help, since that does seem to be just four digits.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Hmm. So it's just the 2nd digit that's in doubt. We can rule out 1 and 7 straight off, and 0 too. 2,3. . . not a 4. . . 5, 6, 8 or 9. A choice of 6. What could be simpler? A lot of things. . . 8)
The 2nd digit looks like a 3....but doesn't the 3rd digit, which looks like a 0, look a tad bit too thing compared to the other numbers?
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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
::Wonders what he started::
So we got 4201 or 4281? Although I have to agree with Matt, the second number looks like a 3. NCC-4301 possibly.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
It also looks to me like NCC-4301, but the number is printed so small that it might be distorted.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
well - before I scrolled down - I though NCC-4301
Andrew
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Hm... I'm pretty sure it's 42, but 43 is a possibility.
Granted, what's between the 2/3 and the 1 looks like one digit, it does seem too skinny. It could be one digit distorted, or it could be two 1's distorted. Tough call...
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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
Very tough call. The blown up image looks like 4301. But the image from The Magazine looks like 4201. Maybe we should just flip a coin and get it over with.
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Posted by Sunspot (Member # 77) on :
I see it as 43181 or 4281, depending on how I look at it.
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
If it is 4xxx the ship would be horribly old (and very lucky not to have been destroyed/decommissioned). 4xxxx would be far more fitting considering the registries of the other existing Excelsiors.
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
The USS Repluse (NCC-2544) was still in service in season 2 of TNG, and the USS Roosevelt (NCC-2573) was at Wolf 359.
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
Fair enough, Frank *Don't ask why this has been edited*
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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
I find it unlikely that we are dealing with a four-digit number. Reason: the second digit looks a bit thicker than the rest, leading me to believe that it's actually 21 or 31 (the other two are likely 01). Reason #2 - we've seen 4xxxx registries in Excelsiors before, and I doubt that the Foundation folks would want to break a pattern just like that or bother to compress the numbers, as opposed to simply changing the last couple of digits from existing computer models.
Boris
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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :
Maybe they just haven't painted on the 5th number yet.
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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Hi there everyone, I�m new here so this is my first question. Someone mentioned seeing something that resembled the sphinx worksled from st:tng tech manual in the pics from utopia planitia fleetyards. Since I�m from Sweden and no tv network shows star trek here, I�m wondering if anyone has a picture of that screenshot showing the possible sphinx worksled?
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Posted by nx001a (Member # 291) on :
Hi
I just had a look at the registry on the excelsior class ship and i believe it has 4 digits like NCC-4381. What do you guts think?
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I still think it might be the 42111. Although, if that's the name right above the registry, it doesn't really look long enough to say "USS FREDERICKSON". Has anyone seen if Sternabch knows anything about this? *goes to post it in Sternbach's newsgroup*
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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :
I dunno...that sure looks like an 8.
42"11"1 The two "11"'s look nothing like the final 1. I'm willing to wager some ritz-bits that it's not two 11's.
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Posted by Laz1701 on :
The space between the first two 1's is different than the space between the second and third. Looks like either 4201 or 4281 to me.
Bear in mind that there is a line on the hull running right through that number/those numbers. If it is "11", this line would cause the space between them to appear smaller in such a blurry picture.
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Posted by Starship Freak (Member # 293) on :
Hi there Berndt, Could you answer my question, where does one see the possible sphinx workpod in the utopia planitia screenshots? (Or anyone else, I�m a curious kind a guy..)
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
We'll I'd go a 4201 because eights are generally wider than zeros...
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Elim, did I thankyou for posting those pictures back in August!?!
Thankyou.
heh heh
Andrew
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
I don't know... Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I have to agree with Bernd back on the second page. I have the hull font installed on my computer here and I typed out all the variations you guys have been talking about.
The only number that varies in width in this font is the 1. The mysterious number is not wide enough to be anything but two 1's side by side. It's not wide enough to be an 8 or a 3 since they'd both be the same size as the 2 and the 4 next to it.
Plus, there's a little corner on the upper left hand side of what I'll call the first 1. Granted, to look better, these 3 1's should have been spaced out a little better, but I still think it's 3 1's
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