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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 

1) Designing the Breen Ship (with John Eaves). Several nice preproduction sketches with labeled systems, as well as a small three-view CGI blueprint set. Unfortunately they do not show what the configuration of systems on the radically different FINAL version is supposed to be, or give any specs other than that. BTW, Doug Drexler fleshed out the ship from Eaves sketches and did the basic 3D shapes for Digital Muse to build on.

2) The Okudagram-article doesn't have the Defiant MSD, but it's got something even better: a perfect 3D exterior side-view of the Equinox with the central section cut in MSD style (remember the MSD scanning cursor looking for that generator?). Finding the size should be a breeze if we assume that the eight decks span 110 feet (six 13' and two 16' decks according to Rick Sternbach).

As for the visible MSD section, it shows that the impulse reactors span decks 1 and 2 (huge reactors), with two deuterium tanks on deck 3. The warp core spans decks 5-8, with Engineering on deck 7. The nav deflector spans decks 6 and 7, while the forward torpedo launcher is placed on deck 5. That's all I can say with relative certainty.

There is also a briefing on the Cardassians (with Galor blueprints), as well as an Enterprise Design Lineage (large foldout with all six ships on it). I find these briefings relatively uninteresting as they pretty much rehash the manuals, barring a few comments derived directly from episodes. Also, a holodeck/replicator briefing, as well as a Bormanis article on weaponry (really basic with an interesting bit about a 75,000 volt stun setting on Pike's lasers).

NEXT ISSUE: Delta Flyer technical specs, blueprints and design history (Yippie!). Kazon tech briefing with raider description, as well as a Vulcan tech briefing with Vulcan ships.

Boris

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
 
Ooh, weaponry. Zathras ask for scans of all weapons stuff, but no-one listen. Very sad.

And I can't wait to see this Equinox side-view. I'm VERY glad that I'd temporarily abandoned my attempts to recreate it from the paltry vidcaps I have!

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
 
Delta Flyer next month? I hope so, I was looking forward to it when I first saw it in the next issue section then it was a no-show for 3 issues now.

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
I posted the Equinox Okudagram and measured it out using Rick Sternbach's 110-foot eight-deck-span. Overall length: 220 meters this way, 200 meters assuming the human is 1.8m tall.

Boris

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Posted by Galen (Member # 72) on :
 
I am still waiting for the new issue. I had gotten used to it arriving about 3 days prior to the release date listed in the previous issue. Not this time. Sep. 23 has come and gone and it still has not arrived in my area.

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
 
Really Galen? Same here. The major bookstores over here haven't gotten #7 of The Magazine yet. Usually they get copies in a few days early too so this is starting to piss me off that it's late.

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
Ok, I got mine specifically in New York City, Midtown Comics (you go down the Seventh avenue from the Penn station and it's in 30-something Street). Haven't seen it in any of the other comic shops, magazine stores, etc. Where is this published anyway?

Boris

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
BTW, here's an implication. Is Nova a Pathfinder shape or The Pathfinder with an Ent-nil like refit? Rick Sternbach's comment about an admiral saying "You're not using that, are you?" might be interpreted as using the actual ship as opposed to merely the shape. Should that be the case, then the two are the same length. And we all know what this could mean...

Boris

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
 
Great news

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
 
I'd guess it's published in NYC. *checks...*

*O_o* It comes from Norwalk, Connecticut. And yet Frank cannot get it...

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
 
Norwalk is closer to New York than to me, although to be honest, I've never done an extensive search for the magazine; I've just never seen it.

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
I doubt that it is that much in demand, since the contents are very much specialized. The conceptually similar TOS and TNG sketchbook never sold that well (which is why there won't be a DS9 or a VOY one according to Margaret Clark), and then the DS9TM isn't usually seen in every bookstore. I'm trying to grab every issue to get the designer sketches/interviews and blueprints while they're out.

Boris

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
I reckon the Equinox can separate!

have a look - that could be a battle bridge there by the left most set of brackets...

little orange dome shaped thing...

and there is a good separation line, below the deuterium tanks.

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
 
If that is true, it will be the smallest ship that is able to seperate....
I thought seperation was a large ship only thing??
 
Posted by Davok (Member # 143) on :
 
Looks more like sickbay to me

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
Well, it depends on what you want the ship to separate for, cause the Defiant can remove its 'nose cone' and even Danube class runabouts can remove the cockpit section in emergencies!

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Posted by Galen (Member # 72) on :
 
Well it finally made to my neck of the woods. Glad to see the Breen ship. Been waiting a pic of it for my ship list

I liked the foldout of all the starships named Enterprise, but what is the deal with 1701-D? They shaved off the bottom part of the secondary hull. It is flat.
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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
*whinges, and twitches chin in the general direction of a scanner*

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Posted by The Vorlon (Member # 52) on :
 
http://jupiter.dgne.com/etc/Breen.png

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
 
Wow! A Breen battleship and the Vorlon is back

I even forgive you that you posted a PNG.

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
 
This takes years to load. Nevertheless, I'm glad.
 
Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
*tosses Vorlon a can of Russian beluga green slime*

Muchos gracias!

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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :
 
Thank's Vorlie! Maybe you could scan some of the sketches too? (*please* )

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
I have all the Breen sketches scanned in, just in case they might be needed for something. Please forgive me any quality issues, I'm relatively new to the scanner. The sketches are numbered from the earliest (1) to the final (6).
http://www.adelphi.edu/~skrbicb/BreenSketch1.jpg http://www.adelphi.edu/~skrbicb/BreenSketch2.jpg http://www.adelphi.edu/~skrbicb/BreenSketch3.jpg http://www.adelphi.edu/~skrbicb/BreenSketch4.jpg http://www.adelphi.edu/~skrbicb/BreenSketch5.jpg http://www.adelphi.edu/~skrbicb/BreenSketch6.jpg

Boris

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
 
I like the ships in the first and fourth sketches. They're much better than the final.

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
No word on dimensions from the magazine?

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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :
 
Nope, no dimensions.
Could anybody scan that 3/4 view CGI. I would do it, but you would have to wait 'til this weekend.

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
Have that as well:
http://www.adelphi.edu/~skrbicb/BreenBeauty.jpg

Boris

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
Frank: the producers wanted it to be original, since it was one of the last episodes. When the first designs were turned in, they just weren't too original, so that's why the ship ended up asymmetric. BTW, any differences between the final sketch and the actual model should be attributed to Doug Drexler, who was responsible for adding a few details.

Boris

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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :
 
Wow, thanks Boris, that was fast!

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Besides, asymetric is cool. (He said sparingly.)

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
 
Regardless of originality, the final version doesn't look realistic enough...too many parts and such, with no solid form.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
*sigh*

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
Well, Frank, if it makes feel you any better, DS9 was originally supposed to be an asymmetric pile of equipment put together by various races over a period of thousands of years. But then Berman/Piller remembered that it's got to be something everyone can recognize and easily draw (like the Enterprise), and they instructed the Art Dept to do something different.

Boris

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
 
I reckon that it adds to the theory made by the doctor, that Breen ships are biologically derived.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
 
It doesn't have to be realistic, Frank.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
 
Boris: I'm glad things turned out the way they did.

Andrew: FWIW, most complex life is symmetrical.

Elim: I know. This is Star Trek, after all.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
 
But it doesn't have to be a complex biological ship... just a... uhm, biologial ship.

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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
 
By "complex" I mean "more complex than a jellyfish."

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
 
On behalf of the sentient jellyfish of the world, I take offense.

But in the case that that's what you meant, I quietly resign to the Corner of Retracted Statements.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Life on Earth is symetrical. There is no inherent reason that it should be so on other worlds.

(Ok, so there is symetry throughout the universe. But life is a chaotic system, and it is only by chance that the symetrical species have beat out the asymetrical ones. For a good example of an asymetrical intelligent species, read The Mote In God's Eye by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle.)

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
 
I can see where they didn't like one and four. As soon as I saw those, I realized he was heavily under the influence of the Jem'Hadar ships. However, it looks like he had his eventual design basically down in number two/three. In fact, that one could easily be a different design of Breen ship. Probably smaller, I'd say...

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Posted by The_Tom (Member # 38) on :
 
Actually Sol, according to "The Biology of Star Trek", it would be extremely unlikely for an extraterrestrial vertebrate lifeform to develop assymetrically. Has to do with fetal development, IIRC.

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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
 
Hmm. Could you look it up and email me?

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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
 
Wow! I'm really looking forward to get the Magazine myself.

While I can accept the asymmetry, there is only one thing that annoys me: All alien ships have no windows at all lately. It is obvious that this is intended to avoid scaling problems, but I wouldn't call this realistic, even if it's a battleship.

I haven't seen the Breen battleship on TV, and I'm in need of a rough size figure. Any guesses?

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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
 
Somewhere around 300 meters is my best estimate. It looked somewhat larger than a Miranda class.

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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
 
Most crabs aren't symmetrical!
And our feet aren't the same size!!!
And if I comb my hair right, my left side will be heavier!!!

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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
 
The middle joint of my left little finger is about 7 mm longer. . . apropos of nothing. 8)

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
 
Perhaps we can give them the benefit of a doubt and assume they don't put in windows as that texturing takes much work...?

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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
 
I don't see why the ship needs windows.

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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
 
So they don't become like the Defiant.

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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
 
Are those lighted circles on the Defiant's nose windows? If they're not, then what are they meant to be? There appears to be similar "windows" in the ship's shell bottom, of course.

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Posted by Jim Phelps (Member # 102) on :
 
That's what I've been wondering too. Or it might be hull lighting. The only person who would know is Tony Meininger who built the miniature.

Boris

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