When the Federation Fleet flies over the asteriod on a second pass, in an effort to confuse the orbital weapon stations with a false Federation signal on the asteriod, there is a view of a Miranda class starship. This starship's registry begins with NCC-186xx. I didn't catch the last two digits. This starship is in the middle of the screen. If someone has recorded this episode on video, can he get the last two digits? Thank you.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
I presume you mean this ship:
I couldn't make out the registry on the MPEG which is all I have handy at the moment. . .
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
What's that Excelsior there? Do we already know?
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
That's the Hood, IIRC.
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
Looks like Captain DeSoto or whomever is in command of the Hood by this time has a good helm, I rarely see an Excelsior move like that...
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Posted by PsyLiam (Member # 73) on :
I haven't got the tape handy, but doesn't the Defiant look a wee bit too big in that pic?
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Liam! You know better than to say something like that! *L*
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
I've got the CIC video tape of "TotP". Unfortunately, it is practically impossible to read the Miranda rego. Also unfortunate is that the Defiant appears to be 170m long.
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
The Defiant in this picture is seen full-on sideways, while the other ships are in perspective, so you cannot compare them just bij measuring the length in this picture.
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Altair: Fundamentally you're right, but given the 3D information on where the ships are located (from the moving scene) it is possible to determine the sizes. We know that starships are filmed in a certain fashion in which they are all far enough away from the camera but not too far. So they are all roughly in the same plane, and you can extract this plane and determine which ships are closer or farther away from the viewer. Unfortunately it seems the Defiant is indeed 170m.
Only a guess, not that I actually precisely calculated the size from the above image
The ships are at very different angles, and we really don't know where they are in relation to each other (watch how they move in the scene). 170m is no more likely than 120m here.
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
Well, I did watch the scene just before I made my prior post. The Defiant is definately closer to 170m than 120m, here. In fact, the ship seems closer to 170m during all its scenes in that episode. It's also pretty obvious the FX were done in CGI by Mr Stipes. I don't know about you guys, but I thought the FX looked rubbish in "Tears...".
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
They were... well, almost; although I maintain that the worst DS9 FX ever were in "Valiant".
Not 170 metres! Evil, evil! Run away! Shall I flog Stipes as well?
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
BTW, this was the episode with the USS Defiant, NCC-74210.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Then, just perhaps, it's a very inconsistent episode FX-wise?
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
Does anyone know where Stipes lives...?
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I'd have to say - yeah - the effects in 'Valiant' weren't too crash hot - they were good, especially the the view from the viewscreen of the jemmie bug, but when the Valiant is attacking the underside of the jemmie cruiser - you can REALLY see the matte-lines around the Valiant.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Dax: He lives in... fear of fans.
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
But the Valiant's death-scene was excellent. And to torpedo the escape-pod's, that's like something Vader would do. "shivers"
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
I agree - the Valiant death scene was quite impressive and made up for the rest of the FX. I did think it was too convenient that one pod got away. Anyway, "Tears..." is still my unfavourite for FX.
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