Let's see, we have an Olympic, and an Olympia. All we need now is an Olympus and we'll all kinds of confusion...8)
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
It's like the Defiant-class Defi-something seen in "Message in a Bottle." 8)
Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
The Defiant Class Ship in "Message In A Bottle" was USS Defiant...of course, no one seems to believe me on that, but it is visible.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Huh? Everyone knows that the name wasn't changed on the model because it wasn't meant to be seen, but we also know that it wasn't really the Defiant.
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
And why not? Maybe Starfleet wanted to use the Defiant in pursuit due to it's cloak. The Defiant may have been behind that Nebula class ship that got busted all the time, in pursuit.
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Posted by Gaseous Anomaly (Member # 114) on :
But there were TWO Defiant class ships in the episode!!
*gibbers inanely over this and other insanity, not looking at other topics, or anything.*
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
There's no real proof that one of them wasn't the Defiant but, if The359 is right, there is proof that one of them was.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Look at the facts. The Defiant based on the very borders of the Federation in the Alpha Quadrant. The Prometheus was on the opposite side of the Federation, and may even have been in the Beta Quadrant (logically, it was, but the writers messed up).
Now, the Defiant does not have a massively high warp capability - not much better than 8, I believe. We're expected to believe that it travelled nearly a quarter of the way across the galaxy for one engagement at the height of the Dominion War? I mean, shrugging off an unusually short travel time from Bajor to Earth is one thing, this is another!
More research is needed. The stardate of "MiaB" for one thing; you then look at episodes of DS9 set at around that time, and see if the Defiant featured at all. I think you'll find it will, with a close-enough conjunction of dates to rule out any trips to the Romulan border. . .
It's probably an SWDAO. Do we accept that they're unlikely to name another ship with two syllables corresponding to another example - and the class ship at that, so this vessel IS the Defiant? Or do we accept that they HAVE chosen a similar name, and that the Defiant we all know and love couldn't possibly have made this trip?
Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Maybe it was the Defiant NX-74205 and the Defiant NCC-74210
Of course, if only "DEFI" was visible, it could be named for some future person or something. It isn't necessarily anything like "Defiant". It could be "Definnegan", or some such.
Anyway, MiaB apparently didnt have a stardate (I'm getting my info from the official site, though, so who knows?), but it's between episodes at 51471.3 and 51501.4, so let's call it about 51486. Now, most DS9 eps don't have stardates, but, fortunately, we have one close to this, "One Little Ship" on SD51474.2. This gives them about four days to have gotten from near the Alliance border to near the Romulan border. I doubt it...
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
If that's the case, Voyager sure is taking its time to get home.
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Posted by Brown_supahero (Member # 83) on :
How many people have put these starships on thier list (apparently they were seen on a list on TNG)
Philadelphia
Pueblo
Seaview
Silversides
Syracuse
Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Actually, weren't those in DS9's "Whispers"?
Edit: Wait, no... "Eye of the Beholder"...
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Consider though, Romulans showed up at DS9 and featured prominently in the war. Ther was also mention made of the Jem'Hadar cutting across the Romulan border to get to Fed targets. If we assume that most of the war took place somewhat close to DS9, Romulan space isn't all that far off. So it may have been the Defiant. But look at the graphic of the map (whicj is already clearly wrong). The ships were close to division between quadrants(way out there). They weren't even close to Romulan space, but they were clearly way out there. I don't think she was the Defiant. Then again, it is called DEEP SPACE Nine...
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
The map need not be wrong. It could always be those wacky dialogue people.
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
I just realized, this thread is about the Olympia, right? I don't know where the idea that she's an Oberth Class came from, but it's highly unlikely. How long did the captain say she'd been gone for? Eight years? It'd HAVE to be a larger vessel with independant support capibilities, like an Intrepid at least, though they wouldn't have been around at that time. Probably some conjectural class.
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Posted by grb on :
I realized that the first major reson for everyone starting to think that Cardassian space was near the Romulan Empire was because of the activity of Jem'hadar ships traveling through the neutral zone to attack the federation. But did anyone realize that by the time we started to hear of this activity, the war had already been going on for a long time? Might it have been possible that the Jem'Hadar were launching from federation territory conqured over the course of the war? Caradassia and Romulus could be on opposite sides of the federation, but the dominion war was waged across the quadrant.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
exactly, the dominion - might have travelled through neutral space for quite a while - then entered Romulan space and then into Federation space... - all with out the Rommies caring a stuff - at the time.
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
Although it is a faster ship, how long did it take the USS Bellerephon to get from DS9 to Romulus in "IAESL"?
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
Okay, back to the Olympia...let's consider some canon classes for this ship.
Nebula Class Ambassador Class
Now...start bantering...
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Wasn't the Olympia the ship from "The Sound of Her Voice"? And wasn't a C-II/Miranda type nacelle used in the planet scene?
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
A few weeks, Dax, IIRC.
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
IF a Miranda class nacelle was used (I'll have to rewatch the tape) what have we got to work with?
Miranda Class, Constitution Class refit, Shelley Class, Constellation Class
My vote would probably be for the Shelley Class. Lots of room for science stuff and long term supplies. Plus we've only seen this class once and i want to see more of it.
