In an episode of Voyager, I can't remember the name, it's the one where Chacotay(I could never spell his name). But anyway, it's the one where he encounters those rouge borgs and they help heal him through their collective. Anyway, the girl (don't remember her name either) was human and she said she was assimilated at Wolf 359. Now if that cube was ulitmately destoryed, how the heck did she end up in the Delta quad?
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Posted by USS Vanguard (Member # 130) on :
Well, that's a good question. Well the queen seems to be able to be everywhere, I guess there's some sort of personal transwarp transporter. Of course, that's just a guess, I'm sure someone can give you a better explanation.
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
*Plays "Spot the New Guy" with his laser eyepiece* BZZZzzz...
Real answer: writer screw-up, FUBAR as usual.
Trek answer... I'm not sure. possibly they were transwarped back. There's at least one very old thread that dealt with this.
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
*Lloyd Bridges-mode* "Ted Striker?"
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Posted by Michael Dracon (Member # 4) on :
In the episode where Seven goes schitzo (try and spell that right ) one of the people Seven turned into was also assimilated at Wolf 359.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
This is what it says on this one guy's page. I hear he's pretty smart. And a looker!
"Stardate 50614 (2073): The USS Voyager encounters a disabled Borg ship in the Nekrit Expanse, a region in the Delta Quadrant filled with plasma storms and various unknown types of interstellar gas clouds. The ship and the Borg aboard it were offline, but a group of drones who had been on a nearby planet found themselves free of the Collective�s influence, and their original personalities began to reassert themselves. Among these former drones were several residents of the Alpha Quadrant, including at least one Starfleet officer present at Wolf 359. It is our conclusion that the Borg sent back a sample of assimilated beings sometime after Wolf 359, possibly through a transwarp conduit. The reasons for such an act are not known, though it is hypothesized that it was an attempt to ensure that some data on the Alpha Quadrant would be preserved even if the Borg invasion of Federation space failed."
(And yes, before people ask, that is part of my collection of Borg stuff. But I am a looker. )
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
This is a good question that I've wondered about for a while too. This is also one of the best explanations I've heard. They could've shot a sphere outta the cube and sent it back to the DQ before the Ent D caught up.
And by the way, the Borg Queen didn't get off the cube, or the Ent E in FC. The queen we saw in Dark Frontier seems to be the same consciousness but it's clearly a similar but different body. That's my theory anyway.
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
My question would rather be why there are so many human and Klingon and Romulan and other Alpha Quadrant Borg at all, although there should be only a few thousand among Trillions! $ $ $ $ $ Agreed, Seven was deliberately chosen as representative, everything else would have been an incredible coincidence. However, why do they also encounter the Borg cube obviously filled with Alpha Quadrant races (Unity), then arbitrarily select a Borg cube to negotiate with where a human (Seven) is aboard (Scorpion), accidentally find Seven's ship (Raven) and finally Seven hallucinates about the assimilation of only Alpha Quadrant races (the schizo epsiode)?
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Posted by Striker on :
Answer(obviously): Most likely writers who don't care too much about this kinda thing. Man, I wish they had a couple of people from this forum on their writing staff, or editorial staff. That would help BIG time. Ah well.
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Did ya all catch the Klingon and Bolian Borgs in the various Borg shows and FC? I did think that looked pretty cool even though it is fairly incredible.
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Posted by The First One (Member # 35) on :
Well, there was a Bolian Borg because he was an Engineer on the E-E. They also had a Cardassian Borg. . .
Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
You know, that Cardassian drone should probably raise some important questions. We all say we want to see different species assimilated. But when exactly would a Cardassian have the opportunity? The Borg have never attacked Cardassia. That means that the Borg must be actively assimilating ships somewhere out in the Alpha Quadrant. And yet we don't get any indication that this is so. Perhaps the Federation will wake up one day to realize that the Borg have steadily been assimilating every vessel that leaves sensor range?
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
The Borg do seems to be everywhere. It seems that they have frequently made trips to the Alpha quad. There have obviously been encounters with Starfleet and the Klingons that we have yet to hear very much about. On the plus side though, Starfleet seems quite a bit better able to defend themselves at least in space battles seeing as how the Excalibur was apparently attacked and boarded but still survived.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Well, we don't know that the Excalibur put up a fight. It seems possible that the Borg could have just beamed over, grabbed a few people, scanned some databases, and beamed off. There wouldn't be too much the crew could do about it.
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
Sol is right, the Federation isn't the only AQ power sending ships out on deep space missions. The Cardassians could have been scouting areas outside Cardassian Space for colonization and one of their ships ran into a Borg Sphere. Cardassian technology is something that the Borg could want. And about the Excalibur, anything could have occured. I doubt though that the entire ship was destroyed, since there would be a conflict with the New Frontier novels. Maybe in the near future a NF book would give a non-cannon some info on the Borg encounter.
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Janeway did meet a Delta Quadrant personality of Seven's - it was a Krenim scientist I think...
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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :
Janeway did talk to a Krenim scientist. Didn't a Kazon also show up as well?
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
There was a Kazon crewmember in the 'revised' history in "Living Witness" Season 4
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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :
Seven said that the Borg didn't assimilate the Kazon. "They're not WORTHY! They're not WORHTY!!!!!!!" If she did manifest a Kazon personality in "Infinite Regress" (I think that was the name) it was a writing mistake.
Although that line about not assimilating the Kazon always bothered me. Why would they pass up an opportunity to add a few drones to their ranks. Their stupidity wouldn't matter in the collective.
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
I'll have to check "Infinite Regress" again. I don't like the episode too much, but I'm going to write a review anyway. Maybe the Kazon biology was assimilated, but not the technology. I know, bad excuse, but suited for Encyclopedia IV.
Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
I don't believe she ever showed a Kazon personality in "Infinite Regress".
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, it's entirely possible that the Borg assimilated a single Kazon ship, and that's how they figured out that it wasn't worth the trouble to assimilate any more of them.
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Posted by Sol System (Member # 30) on :
Or, while the Collective has no desire to consume the entire Kazon species, it isn't opposed to grabbing any ship foolish enough to stick around when a cube passes by.
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Posted by Obi Juan (Member # 90) on :
Was that line about the Kazon? I was thinking it was Talaxians for some reason. Either way that line always bothered me. It seems inconsistant for the borg to waste potential resources like that.
Posted by First of Two (Member # 16) on :
Seven said that the Talaxian musculature made them "excellent drones." But apparently the Talaxians weren't interesting enough for the Borg to decide to assimilate them wholesale.
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
Yes, Seven uttered her usual "your biological and ... has been added to the Collective". At first I shuddered upon the possibility that the whole race could have been assimilated, for some reason I like them, but then she said that it was a single vessel.
I reckon that there are two basic strategies: First, assimilating just enough of a species to get their technology. This is possible by assimilating single ships, for most of the technology is supposed to be found there. Second, assimilating whole civilizations to get their infrastructure, raw material, energy and man power, i.e. drones.
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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
It makes sense for the Borg to assimilate a few members of each species they encounter to learn about them. I guess when they assimilated some Kazons the Borg figured they wern't worth it.
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Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :
The species from "Infinite regress":
Seven's personalities as seen or mentioned: little Girl "Merill" (sp.?) - knows Vulcans, Klingon ("Son of Kavok"), Vulcan, Ta(e)rellian, Ferengi, Bolian, the Melbourne crew member's mother, Tombaugh officer, and, as the only non-Alpha species *drumrolls*, a Krenim scientist. (9 out of 13)
Visions in sickbay (in order of appearance): human girl, unknown alien, red SF man, Bajoran(?) uniform, unknown alien, blue SF woman, pig-like alien, another Bajoran, another(?) Klingon, yellow SF woman, "ribbed face" alien as seen at DS9, unknown alien, the first Bajoran again, an alien looking like Tosk, Cardassian, from then on the appearances repeat.
Visions during mind-meld: essentially the same as in the other scene, plus a Romulan, plus another Klingon.
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Posted by Alshrim Dax (Member # 258) on :
I'll have to go back and re-watch this ep to find out if there is any mention of a rescue of some type
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
I'll bet Naussican's would make fine drones. A bald naussican, now that's a sight!
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) one of the people Seven turned into was also assimilated at Wolf 359.