When finally recieving the February 2000 issue of Star Trek: The Magazine, I quickly turned to the section on Digital Muse. There is a nice picture of the Majestic and Sitak exploding from "The Sacrafice of Angels", but there was something that struck me as odd in the right side of the picture. There is a Federation starship, far in the background, turning downward and away from the camera. It looks like an Ambassador! But it also looks like an Excelsior. But the position and size of the nacelles and deflector dish make it look like an Ambassador. Anyone want to take a stab at it?
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
*must....get...February issue...*
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Posted by Aethelwer (Member # 36) on :
I'll bet it's not an Ambassador, considering our experience with these situations. But I wouldn't mind seeing the image nonetheless.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
I'm looking at the image right now, and it's an Excelsior. Way too sleek to be an Ambassador, I think.
I may scan it in later.
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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :
I really wish I could get The Magazine over here. Oh well, such is life .
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Posted by Basill on :
It is definately an Excelsior design. It is too long, it's navigational deflector is too small, and it is too flat, as if the saucer is only seperated from the secondary hull by that squat neck the excelsior has. The relatively long visable nacelle also glows blue from front to end just like the new renditions of the excelsior since flashback.
Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :
I need that magazine. It hasn't came out here yet. Can someone scan the pic?
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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
Here's the ship in question. It's tiny, I know, but it's the best I can do...
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
That's not the part of the image I was thinking of... That one's too small to even wonder what class it is...
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Posted by Harry (Member # 265) on :
The thing on that pic could be anything from a B-52 Bomber to a 17th-century canon!
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
Well those long nacelles make me think its an Excelsior Class.
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Between the nacelle and weapons pod of the Miranda is the ship in question. The deflector dish is visible, therefore the ship is heading somewhat toward the camera, but also still going to the left of the screen. Because of this, the size of the nacelles and everything may be different from what they really are. But at the angle it's turned, it sure looks like an Ambassador to me.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
It's only barely tripped towards the camera. It almost has to be an Excelsior, for reasons gone through every other time we've done this. And besides that this one is so far away, why bother making it an Ambassador? Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :
To prove that they're still in use!
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Of course the FX guys would want to prove something is still in use by taking hours to rebuild a model for which they won't get paid and then toss it in the background, barely noticeable even in stills. Posted by Masao (Member # 232) on :
By the way, what is this Miranda ship? My guess is "USS Majestic." Is this its one and only appearance?
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Posted by The359 (Member # 37) on :
Yes, that is the USS Majestic, and the other Miranda is the USS Sitak.
BTW, does anyone notice that the front of the Sitak's nacelles is RED? Like a Bussard Collector? I think I've seen it before on other Mirandas
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :
I saw it in all the Mirandas as part of that fleet in that six-parter.
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
I HAVE checked the episode thrice and when you see the frames in motion you can see the nacelles are a third longer than the saucer, so it is an excelsior. Shame though, I had really hoped it was an ambassador.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
I do not understand how you think you can even tell what part is the sacer and what is the nacelles. For one thing, when a ship is that far away, if part of it is sufficiently in shadow, you won't even be able to see that part. It can make the ship look completely different than normal.
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Posted by Elim Garak (Member # 14) on :
Which puts visual identification at an impasse and real-life/common-sense information in favour of it being an Excelsior, anyway. Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on :
I just looked at the picture that was posted here and the one in the magazine. The picture here makes it look either a Galaxy Class or an Ambassador Class. The picture on the magazine looks like an Excelsior Class.
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Posted by Nim (Member # 205) on :
TSN: I told you I checked the scene several times on my video and the ship is clearly visible if you just focus on it. But I understand your skepticism since that screencap, although of a much higher quality than usual, is two-dimensional. In motion it is entirely different, you can see it's height-width ratio is more like an excelsior than an ambassador.
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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :
Well, there was no doubt to begin with that it wasn't an Ambassador. But I'll take your word for it that the video shows it to be an Excelsior, as opposed to something completely different.
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