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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="1" width="95%" align="center"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"><td> <table border="0" width="100%" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="1"> <tr bgcolor="#234c6f"> <td colspan="2" align="left"> <font size="3" color="#FFFFFF" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>T O P I C ��� R E V I E W</b> </font></td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The359</b> <br /><small>Member # 37</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,7,22,50,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 07, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:50 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> When finally recieving the February 2000 issue of Star Trek: The Magazine, I quickly turned to the section on Digital Muse. There is a nice picture of the Majestic and Sitak exploding from "The Sacrafice of Angels", but there was something that struck me as odd in the right side of the picture. There is a Federation starship, far in the background, turning downward and away from the camera. It looks like an Ambassador! But it also looks like an Excelsior. But the position and size of the nacelles and deflector dish make it look like an Ambassador. Anyone want to take a stab at it?<P>------------------<BR>"The things hollow--it goes on forever--and--oh my God!--<I>it's full of stars!</I>" -David Bowman's last transmission back to Earth, 2001: A Space Odyssey <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fabrux</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,7,23,11,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 07, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:11 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> *must....get...February issue...* <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://fabrux.virtualave.net" TARGET=_blank>Chris's Home Page</A><BR>The Psi Corps is your friend. Trust the Corps.<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aethelwer</b> <br /><small>Member # 36</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,7,23,40,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 07, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:40 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'll bet it's not an Ambassador, considering our experience with these situations. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"> But I wouldn't mind seeing the image nonetheless.<P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://frankg.dgne.com/" TARGET=_blank>Frank's Home Page</A><BR>"I'm still amazed at how unintuitive the Windows world is and how it tries to mimic the Mac." - John de Lancie <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Elim Garak</b> <br /><small>Member # 14</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,8,8,13,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 08, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:13 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I'm looking at the image right now, and it's an <I>Excelsior</I>. Way too sleek to be an <I>Ambassador</I>, I think.<P>I may scan it in later.<P>------------------<BR>Elim Garak: "Oh, it's just Garak. Plain, simple Garak. Now, good day to you, Doctor. I'm so glad to have made such an... interesting new friend today." (DS9: "Past Prologue") <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Dax</b> <br /><small>Member # 191</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,8,11,51,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 08, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:51 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I really wish I could get The Magazine over here. Oh well, such is life <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/frown.gif">.<P>------------------<BR>"Forgive me if I don't share your euphoria!" (Weyoun to Dukat, Tears of the Prophets)<BR><A HREF="http://www.aceonline.com.au/~dax/index.htm" TARGET=_blank>Dax's Ships of STAR TREK</A><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Basill</b> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,11,16,44,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 11, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:44 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It is definately an Excelsior design. It is too long, it's navigational deflector is too small, and it is too flat, as if the saucer is only seperated from the secondary hull by that squat neck the excelsior has.<BR>The relatively long visable nacelle also glows blue from front to end just like the new renditions of the excelsior since flashback.<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Hobbes</b> <br /><small>Member # 138</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,11,17,1,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 11, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">05:01 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I need that magazine. It hasn't came out here yet. Can someone scan the pic?<P>------------------<BR>Calvin: "You don't think humans evolved from monkeys?"<BR>Hobbes: "<B>I</B> sure don't see any difference."<BR><A HREF="http://members.tripod.com/thefsd" TARGET=_blank>Federation Starship Datalink</A> - Starship site of the new millennium. <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fabrux</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,13,20,31,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 13, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:31 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Here's the ship in question. It's tiny, I know, but it's the best I can do...<P> <IMG SRC="http://fabrux.virtualave.net/trek/misc/ambassador-thingy.jpg"> <P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://fabrux.virtualave.net" TARGET=_blank>Chris's Home Page</A><BR>The Psi Corps is your friend. Trust the Corps.<P><BR><p>[This message has been edited by Fabrux (edited January 13, 2000).] <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Elim Garak</b> <br /><small>Member # 14</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,13,21,22,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 13, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:22 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> That's not the part of the image I was thinking of... That one's too small to even wonder what class it is... <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/biggrin.gif"><P>------------------<BR>Elim Garak: "Oh, it's just Garak. Plain, simple Garak. Now, good day to you, Doctor. I'm so glad to have made such an... interesting new friend today." (DS9: "Past Prologue") <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Harry</b> <br /><small>Member # 265</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,14,7,25,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:25 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> The thing on that pic could be anything from a B-52 Bomber to a 17th-century canon!<P>------------------<BR>So small,<BR>so innocent,<BR>so young,<BR>so delicately done,<BR>grown up in your poison.<P>"Little Baby Swastikkka"<BR>-Skunk Anansie<BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> <br /><small>Member # 44</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,14,9,35,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">09:35 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well those long nacelles make me think its an Excelsior Class.<P>------------------<BR>"All the lonely people, where do they all come from" - Eleanor Rigby, The Beatles.<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Brown_supahero</b> <br /><small>Member # 83</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,14,10,42,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">10:42 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Digital Muse<BR> <A HREF="http://www.dmuse.com/" TARGET=_blank>http://www.dmuse.com/</A> <BR> <IMG SRC="http://www.dmuse.com/Images/Gallery/TV/DS9/DS9-1.jpg"> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Aban Rune</b> <br /><small>Member # 226</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,14,11,14,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:14 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Cool Pic Brown, but what are we looking at here?<P>------------------<BR>"A gathering of Angels appeared above my head. They sang to me this song of hope, and this is what they said..." -Styx<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The359</b> <br /><small>Member # 37</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,14,13,43,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:43 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Between the nacelle and weapons pod of the Miranda is the ship in question. The deflector dish is visible, therefore the ship is heading somewhat toward the camera, but also still going to the left of the screen. Because of this, the size of the nacelles and everything may be different from what they really are. But at the angle it's turned, it sure looks like an Ambassador to me.<P>------------------<BR>"The things hollow--it goes on forever--and--oh my God!--<I>it's full of stars!</I>" -David Bowman's last transmission back to Earth, 2001: A Space Odyssey <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Elim Garak</b> <br /><small>Member # 14</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,14,15,17,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">03:17 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> It's only barely tripped towards the camera. It almost has to be an <I>Excelsior</I>, for reasons gone through every other time we've done this. And besides that this one is so far away, why bother making it an <I>Ambassador</I>? <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Fabrux</b> <br /><small>Member # 71</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,14,16,5,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:05 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> To prove that they're still in use! <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"><P>------------------<BR><A HREF="http://fabrux.virtualave.net" TARGET=_blank>Chris's Home Page</A><BR>The Psi Corps is your friend. Trust the Corps.<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Elim Garak</b> <br /><small>Member # 14</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,14,16,50,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:50 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Of course the FX guys would want to prove something is still in use by taking hours to rebuild a model for which they won't get paid and then toss it in the background, barely noticeable even in stills. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/wink.gif"> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Masao</b> <br /><small>Member # 232</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,14,20,17,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:17 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> By the way, what is this Miranda ship? My guess is "USS Majestic." Is this its one and only appearance?<P>------------------<BR>When you're in the Sol system, come visit the <A HREF="http://www.uni-siegen.de/~ihe/bs/startrek/sfmuseum/" TARGET=_blank> Starfleet Museum </A><P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>The359</b> <br /><small>Member # 37</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,14,20,55,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 14, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">08:55 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Yes, that is the USS Majestic, and the other Miranda is the USS Sitak.<P>BTW, does anyone notice that the front of the Sitak's nacelles is RED? Like a Bussard Collector? I think I've seen it before on other Mirandas<P>------------------<BR>"The things hollow--it goes on forever--and--oh my God!--<I>it's full of stars!</I>" -David Bowman's last transmission back to Earth, 2001: A Space Odyssey <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>AndrewR</b> <br /><small>Member # 44</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,15,4,30,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 15, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">04:30 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I saw it in all the Mirandas as part of that fleet in that six-parter.<P>------------------<BR>"All the lonely people, where do they all come from" - Eleanor Rigby, The Beatles.<P><BR> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,15,6,48,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 15, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">06:48 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I HAVE checked the episode thrice and when you see the frames in motion you can see the nacelles are a third longer than the saucer, so it is an excelsior. <BR>Shame though, I had really hoped it was an ambassador.<P>------------------<BR>Somehow we're going somewhere.<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,16,1,0,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 16, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:00 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I do <i>not</i> understand how you think you can even tell what part is the sacer and what is the nacelles. For one thing, when a ship is that far away, if part of it is sufficiently in shadow, you won't even be able to <i>see</i> that part. It can make the ship look completely different than normal.<P>------------------<BR>"The Earl of Sandwich invented the sandwich. Samuel Morse invented the Morse Code. Plato invented the plate."<BR>-Holly, <I>Red Dwarf</I>: "Parallel Universe" <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Elim Garak</b> <br /><small>Member # 14</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,16,13,55,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 16, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">01:55 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Which puts visual identification at an impasse and real-life/common-sense information in favour of it being an <I>Excelsior</I>, anyway. <IMG SRC="http://flare.solareclipse.net/smile.gif"> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Justin_Timberland</b> <br /><small>Member # 236</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,16,19,7,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 16, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:07 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> I just looked at the picture that was posted here and the one in the magazine. The picture here makes it look either a Galaxy Class or an Ambassador Class. The picture on the magazine looks like an Excelsior Class. <P>------------------<BR>Sometimes I run<BR>Sometimes I hide<BR>Sometimes I'm scared of you<BR>But all I really want is to hold you tight<BR>Treat you right, be with you day and night<BR>Baby all I need is time<P>-Britney Spears <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#A3B9CC"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>Nim</b> <br /><small>Member # 205</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,17,7,8,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 17, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">07:08 AM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> TSN: I told you I checked the scene several times on my video and the ship is clearly visible if you just focus on it.<BR>But I understand your skepticism since that screencap, although of a much higher quality than usual, is two-dimensional. In motion it is entirely different, you can see it's height-width ratio is more like an excelsior than an ambassador.<P>------------------<BR>Somehow we're going somewhere.<P> <br /> </font> </td></tr> <tr bgcolor="#E5EAEF"> <td valign="top" width="18%"> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <b>TSN</b> <br /><small>Member # 31</small> </font></td> <td width="82%"> <font size="2" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> <img src="https://flare.solareclipse.net/posticon.gif" border="0" alt=" - " /> posted <script language="JavaScript1.3" type="text/javascript"> document.write(timestamp(new Date(2000,0,17,23,2,0), dfrm, tfrm, 0, 0, 0, 0)); </script><noscript><span class="dateformat-0">January 17, 2000</span> <span class="timeformat-0">11:02 PM</span></noscript><hr /> </font> <font size="3" face="Trebuchet MS, Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif"> Well, there was no doubt to begin with that it wasn't an <i>Ambassador</i>. But I'll take your word for it that the video shows it to be an <i>Excelsior</i>, as opposed to something completely different.<P>------------------<BR>"If you attempt to return the device to the store, and you are missing one single peanut, the store personnel will laugh in the chilling manner exhibited by Joseph Stalin just after he enslaved Eastern Europe." <br /> </font> </td></tr> </table></td></tr></table> <br /> <br />
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