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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

What's on Deck 2 of the Galaxy-class? Aside from Observation Lounge (OL) that is. On the sides of the OL are two large rooms with nothing much in them. In front of the OL are a bunch of rooms, but what are they? There also seems to be steps that go down to Deck 3.

Incase you're wondering what I'm talking about, look on page 33 of issue #10 of The Magazine.

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Posted by Fabrux (Member # 71) on :

Ah crap. I have the E-D blueprints, but a friend's borrowing them right now..

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Posted by Marko Latin on :

I wish i had more Star Trek material to buy in my country...

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

Hobbes, I'll check my blueprints tonight and let you know what they say Monday. Of course, I think they say that the Observation Lounge is on Deck 1...

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Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on :

Ahh.. the Observation Lounge is on Deck 1. There is a sub-level Deck 1 on the TNG Blueprints of the Enterprise-D which contains the bridge module ejection systems. Deck 2 has officer's quarters and environmental systems. LaForge, Data, and Worf have their quarters on that deck near the escape pods.

Did anyone who owns the TNG Blueprints noticed in the large cutaway of the E-D that the shuttles in Main Shuttlebay are the same type as the shuttles onboard Voyager? The Type-8 shuttles.

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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :

I dunno about that. Looked like the usual Magellan type-6 to me, with some cute little shuttlepods scattered around.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

I don't know about later episodes but here they were just repeating season 2 - and I think it was "Where Silence has lease"? You can see an upward shot in Data's quarters and you can see the two oval windows in his ceiling... although there is a diffused white light coming through them... I guess its an option like Troi shutting the 'blind' in "The Child".

Andrew

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Posted by Justin_Timberland (Member # 236) on :

It's a Type-8 shuttle I tell you!!! Can anyone scan in the shuttle from the cutaway of the blueprints and scan in the Type-8 for comparison?

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Treat you right, be with you day and night
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Posted by Vacuum robot lady from Spaceballs (Member # 239) on :

I'm looking at mine, and they're definately not Type-8. They're just plain old Type-6.

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Posted by Marko Latin on :

*Agrees*

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Posted by Black Knight (Member # 134) on :

Ditto

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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :

I could start a new thread but this is sort of related:
Has anyone ever noticed that there appears to be one too many rows of windows between the dorsal phaser array and the saucer rim?

I'll explain -

1)We know that deck 4 is the one just above the phaser strip because that's where the main shuttlebay is.

2)We also know that the row of windows on the bottom half of the saucer rim is where deck 10 is (because of ten forward).

3)Now, between the phaser array and deck 10 we should have 5 rows of windows (for decks 5,6,7,8,and 9) but instead we have 6 rows (making sure to include the row on the top half of the saucer rim).

So what do you guys think? Any solutions welcome.

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Posted by Timo (Member # 245) on :

Judging by the interiors, I'd say that deck 9 has both side and ceiling windows. The outmost rim of saucertop windows would mean really low-hanging ceilings for some of the cabins, so the interior of deck 8 is drawn with a smaller radius than the exterior hull would warrant; thus, the ceiling windows don't always even fall on cabins, but on wasted space outward from the outermost cabins!

I think this would best be explained by saying that the windows serve as skylights for the outermost deck 9 rooms (which IIRC are mostly various lounges and the sort anyway). These rooms would be quite high then, but I don't see this as a major problem as long as we can get Ten-Forward properly on deck 10!

Then again, it is possible that the blueprints have it all wrong and Ten-Forward is actually behind the UPPER row of rim windows. The window tilt isn't so easy to see on the model, and some of the upper-rim windows could actually be canted inward like the Ten-Forward windows are...

Timo Saloniemi

Posted by Bernd (Member # 6) on :

I might also check the Fact Files for deck 2. They are mainly based on the blueprints, but maybe there is some additional information.

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Posted by Montgomery (Member # 23) on :

Ah, remember that while the blueprints will repay hours of loving and drooling adoration, they are imperfect.

can you say "Arboretum"?

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

I think I heard somewhere before that it is actually a mistake and 10 Forward should be 11 Forward (like on the E). To finish up your original questions, Hobbes, the area directly in front of the OL holds the computers used by the aft stations on the bridge. There is little detail, but I don't think it's actually a room. There may be a couple of small access areas.

Also of note, the starboard side of the OL has a ramp that leads directly to the bridge, the Port side does not. Both sides also have curving ramps that apparently lead down to the lower part of deck one (your head would be about level with Data's ankles and you would be walking along side the bridge I think) where you can grab a turbo lift. There is also something noted that could either be stairs to deck two or part of the latching mechanism, I can't tell.

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Posted by TerraZ on :

Aside frm the Arboritum, the ship was apparently downgraded since there's no Brig either...

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Actually, the E-D has an extra deck between deck 6 and deck 7.

Whence do I derive such an outlandish theory, you ask? Well, I'll tell you. Observe this graphic:

Now, we know the main shuttlebay is on deck 4 (the purple line in the picture). Counting up from here, the bridge is deck 1, which is good. We also know the battle bridge to be located on deck 8 (green line). Counting down from here, Ten Forward (deck ten, blue line) is on the lower rim of the saucer. This is also good. However, if we count the decks between 4 and 8, we find four. These would be deck 5, deck 6, deck 7, and... what? Obviously, the extra deck is one of these four between 4 and 8.

Now, to see why I've placed it between 6 and 7, feast your eyes upon this:

Now, for those of you who have the E-D blueprints, you can also refer to them for this part. If you haven't got them, I'm afraid you'll have to take my word for some of this.

The escape pods that I've colored green (a selection as an example; this also applies to the others on that deck) are on deck 6. This is verified by the blueprints. The curved green line represents the outer edge of deck 6. Now, normally, one would expect the next deck down to be deck 7. However, the escape pods which I have colored red, according to the blueprints, are not on deck 7. In fact, they do not show up at all on any deck. One might attribute this to another blueprints error. However, there is more. If we assume that the blueprints are correct and deck 7 is not immeditely below deck 6, we can guess that it is, in fact, two decks below deck 6. This is where it would be placed if we counted up from deck 8 (see the first picture). In the top half of the saucer, the decks get progressively larger as one descends, yes? Therefore, deck 6 is one size, the deck below it is larger, and the next deck down is even larger than that. Now, if we go back to the blueprints and measure decks 6 and 7 (making sure they're in scale by measuring the computer cores and such), we find that deck 7 is not a bit larger than deck 6: it's much larger. Larger enough, in fact, that it corresponds to the blue curve I've drawn in the second picture.

Therefore, by locating the shutttlebay and battle bridge, we have evidence that the extra deck is between 4 and 8. Further, through the escape pods and the deck sizes, we have two pieces of evidence which suggest that the missing deck is between 6 and 7. While they may not have intended an extra deck there, there is plenty of evidence which all agrees that it is there, and apparently nothing to refute it. Quod erat demonstrandum.

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

Okay so you think that those rooms on Deck 2 infront of the OL are all computer rooms?? That doesn't make much sense. I'll scan the pic later.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Perhaps I missed something, but the OL isn't on deck 2. It's on deck 1.

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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :

I think Hobbes is counting the back of deck 1 as deck 2, and deck 2 as 3. Anyway, those rooms adjacent to the conference lounge (upper deck 1) aren't labeled at all in the Blueprints and they don't seem to have much in them. The room fore of the CL is labeled "computer interface" but I don't see any obvious way to get in.

TSN: I noticed a couple of problems with your commentary-

1)You say that ten forward is in the right place when counting down from the battle bridge, but it's not. The cutaway you used is the same as the one from the TNGTM p.11 and that shows that 10 forward would actually be on deck 11 if it's the bottom half of the rim.

2)The "lifeboats" that you marked in red, and can't find, aren't and never were lifeboats in the first place. Refer to Screen 1 of the Blueprints and you'll see my point.

It seems to me that either deck 8 or 9 has the two rows of windows. If I had to call it, I would say deck 8 is the culprit. I've mentioned this problem to Rick Sternbach (at his newsgroup forum) but he pretended that everything was as it should ie. he was completely unhelpful .

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Posted by Hobbes (Member # 138) on :

I counted it as Deck 2 because it is below the bridge.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

More people have to go an prod him then... with Klingon pain sticks!?! Timo - I'm sure would be an influencing poster...

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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :

I went and counted the decks up from the deck 25 torp laucher (on both the exterior and TNGTM cutaway) and that too places the bottom of the saucer rim as deck 11. It looks like Aban is right and someone erred in placing ten-forward where it is.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Dax: Actually, I don't have the blueprints themselves. I have some scans that I found on the 'net. Unfortunately, though, only the decks themselves are in the images. Everything around them (labelling and such) is removed. So, if you could be a bit more specific...

Also, I'm not sure what you're saying about the cutaway. I scanned that from the MSD in the encyclopedia. The battle bridge is on the deck that I drew the blue line on. Therefore, that is deck 8. The bottom rim of the saucer is two decks below that, hence, deck 10. This, of course, agrees w/ the blueprints (look at the escape pods on deck 10, and look at the underside of the saucer rim).

As for counting upward from deck 25... I don't remember whether I did that or not. I originally came up w/ this a while ago. I'll try it when I get a chance and see what happens...

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Posted by Baloo (Member # 5) on :

Hmmmm....?

Perhaps one of the designers liked deck 9 so much he included an extra one?

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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :

TSN: Those blocks which you've marked in red (on the hull of deck 7) simply aren't lifeboat hatches. Here's that bit of the Blueprints I was on about:
Surface Plan Close-Up
They appear to be just pointless plating on the hull. The AMT model also supports this.

I was wrong what I said about the MSD. I assumed it was the same as the TNGTM cutaway. I now realise that there's three differing cutaways that disagree with eachother-

1)MSD - This shows the battle bridge to be on deck 9 and the lower rim to be deck 11.

2)TNGTM p.11 "Section at Centreline" - This shows the battle bridge to be on deck 8 and the lower rim to be deck 11.

3)Blueprints screen 4 "Starboard Cutaway View" - This shows the battle bridge to be on deck 8 and the lower rim to be deck 10.

Out of these only the MSD could be considered canon since it's been seen on the show.

Unfortunately we have a paradox on our hands.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Well, even if those aren't escape pods, there's still the matter of the actual sizes of the decks. So, either there is an extra deck between 6 and 7, or deck 7 is actually twice as high as it would normally be (w/ ceiling windows).

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Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :

A fourth season episode, with Data, Lore, and their creator, shows the area behind the aft stations on the bridge.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

That would have to be "Brothers". Is it when Data seals off the bridge, and the others are trying to get back in? I thought they were just in a J-tube outside/under the bridge, but I haven't seen the ep in a while.

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Posted by colin (Member # 217) on :

yes. however, the area may not have been a jeffries tube.

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Posted by Aban Rune (Member # 226) on :

I remember them saying something about a conduit that ran into one of the science stations, but I don't remember if they ever made it there or not. All right, now I'm going to have to go and watch the whole episode again... : )

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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :

I've been going through the TNG Blueprints trying to make sense of this spare deck business. On this journey I came to realise that Justin was right about the shuttles on screen 4 being type-8. Take a close look - you can see how the top of the cabin protrudes out. There's also the engine pylons. These gotta be those VOY shuttles.

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Posted by Mikey T (Member # 144) on :

Oh my... Justing is right. Now why would one place Type-8 shuttles on the Enterprise-D unless to suggest that the ship got new shuttles before she went KA-BOOM at Veridian? That or it's another blunder.

About the spare deck, I thought about the horizontal Jeffries tubes, but then again, there is that sub-level Deck 1 that is present in the TNG Blueprints. Now I'm confused...

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Say, what about those eight-foot-tall Jeffries tubes seen in "The Hunted"? Maybe those are the missing deck?

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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :

But the issue is that there's an extra row of windows for no apparent reason. Jefferies tubes don't have/need windows.

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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

Doesn't this whole problem stem from the fact that the hull isn't a sphere - where the hull becomes horizontal - you may get two rows of windows or lifepods - but just the one deck... the windows are probably in the ceiling...

I think I counted them a long time ago - and if you work out the part where the hull becomes flat - not rounded - you end up with two sets of windows on the one deck - or is it one set of windows and one set of lifepods - anyway - thats the theory.

Andrew

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ancient societies from distant orbit than it might be to sit next to the
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Posted by AndrewR (Member # 44) on :

OK, scrub my above comments - I've solved the mystery... OK

Bridge - Deck 1 everyone agreed
those windows in the ceiling/datas quarters - deck 2 again everyone agrees
deck 3 - next ring of windows
deck 4 - next ring of windows + main shuttle bay + phaser strip
deck 5 - next ring of windows
deck 6 - next ring of windows and escape pods + aboretum
deck 7 - next ring of windows... + those false escape pods below the arboretum
deck 8 - next ring of windows - + larger windows forward side - those are supposed to be Picard's quarters... + Riker and Deanna's quarters are on this deck... and the battle bridge.
deck 9 - last ring of windows visible from above
deck 9 is ALSO the ring of windows on the 'lip' of the saucer above 10 forward... the deck 9 windows seen from above - don't go all the way to the edge - they are back from the edge - so at least two rooms 'in' from the edge - get windows
deck 10 - bottom row of windows on the saucer lip + 10 forward...

DONE! the deck 9 windows are what is confusing everyone - you don't count deck 9 as just the last ring of windows seen from above - but those + the windows on the lip of the saucer section - aboe 10 forward.

Andrew

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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :

Andrew: Your theory is the most logical I've heard. It seems to conform with the deck 8 and 9 plans in the Blueprints too. I like it!

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Posted by KXZ (Member # 119) on :

Well, finally. Someone has made sense of the Galaxy class saucer deck plan problem. I like the idea of Deck 9 being designed that way, it makes the Galaxy class starships seem even more of a luxury.

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Posted by TSN (Member # 31) on :

Of course, it doesn't explain why, in the blueprints, deck seven is so much larger than deck six, when it should only be somewhat larger. Unless we chalk this up to another blueprints flaw...

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Posted by Dax (Member # 191) on :

But I honestly don't see any problem with deck 7 in the Blueprints, TSN. It seems fine to me.

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